I knew it! Kerry is a conservative - Page 2

CarneVaca · #16 07-12-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

As an aside, I think people expect too meuch from politicians. No one is ever going to fall within a simple set of labels

True. But ought party affiliation not mean something? If Democrats are aligning with Republicans on most important issues of the day, do we not need a party that represents what we believe in?

strandinthewind · #17 07-12-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca

Aside from that, shouldn't John Kerry limit himself to declaring whether he supports Roe v. Wade? Saying he personally opposes abortion is such a scoundrel's defense to make himself look good to the conservatives.

Even though he may truly believe that and that may have been the question asked, etc., he is a politician and he is gonna give a politician's answer

CarneVaca · #18 07-12-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

This really depresses me

. So either way it looks like four more years of Bush.

Exactly. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

strandinthewind · #19 07-12-2004, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca

Exactly. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

Now Now - its Bush lite

Seriously, Kerry more lilely than not would not have prompted the Legislation Bush has. So there is that difference. But, the facts suggest Kerry is not the huge liberal the conservative press is painting him as.

dissention · #20 07-12-2004, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Exactly dissention..Kerry should be presenting a clear cut message on where he stands on the issues...Bashing Bush on everything he does will not win him an election in the end IMO...He should also be focused on us undecided voters (like myself), who if he gave a reason to vote for him...would...but all he cares to do IMO is bash Bush...ok we get that point already Kerry, we know you dont like Bush and disagree with the Iraq war...give us something else! Will there be a NONE OF THE ABOVE box on the ballot this year???

Chris

Hold on one cotton pickin' minute (

) -

You're in the South, you NEED to vote for Kerry. It doesn't matter whether or not I do because I live in MA, a guaranteed blue state. Even though I'm tired of the BS in the Kerry camp, he's still better than Bush on his worst day. If given the choice between Kerry and Bush, choose Kerry.

Now, even though I'm tired of Kerry's waffling, he still has some great platforms. I think he has given much more than 'I dislike Bush, he wasn't diplomatic.' He's given much more than that and some of his ideas are pretty good. What's turning me off if is his desperate attempts to appear as conservative as possible and his attempts to disassociate from the people who gave him his career: the far-left. Without us, he'd be just another rich guy living off his rich wife and it pisses me off to no end that he badmouths the very people who will vote for him. It's not cool.

dissention · #21 07-12-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

This really depresses me

. So either way it looks like four more years of Bush.

I don't think it's four more years of Bush, it's Bush-lite.

j/k

No, seriously, a lot of the **** Kerry says is being said in an attempt to get southern and midwest votes. I don't think half of it is true. But that's what pisses me off, like I said in my above post. He wants nothing to do with the people who made him.

strandinthewind · #22 07-12-2004, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

It's not cool.

. . . but it is smart. The middle of the road in about five or so states is what will win this election. Kerry and to a lesser extent W are myopic when it comes to this point. They know if things stay the same, these are really the only people who count in the election issue. I think they think their bases are not going anywhere due to the polarization in the country right now.

dissention · #23 07-12-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Now Now - its Bush lite

Seriously, Kerry more lilely than not would not have prompted the Legislation Bush has. So there is that difference. But, the facts suggest Kerry is not the huge liberal the conservative press is painting him as.

Well, Kerry claimed that he would sign the Kyoto Protocol into effect, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he was just blowing smoke up our left ass cheeks.

dissention · #24 07-12-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

. . . but it is smart. The middle of the road in about five or so states is what will win this election. Kerry and to a lesser extent W are myopic when it comes to this point. They know if things stay the same, these are really the only people who count in the election issue. I think they think their bases are not going anywhere due to the polarization in the country right now.

No, it's not smart. He's going to lose a lot of votes to Nader and Cobb in those five states because of it and he doesn't want that.

strandinthewind · #25 07-12-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Well, Kerry claimed that he would sign the Kyoto Protocol into effect, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he was just blowing smoke up our left ass cheeks.

I often think Clinton signed the KP (

) as a political ploy. He knew it had no chance of ever going into effect. I think the signatory countries had no intention of implementing it and Clinton knew if we did not then they really would not. I mean they could do it on their own - yet how many have

But, Clinton looked good by signing it.

and that is a shame because we all know "they" can make cars that get over 100 MPG and still perform well, etc. But, King Oil will never have that happen - Sad, very true.

dissention · #26 07-12-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Even though he may truly believe that and that may have been the question asked, etc., he is a politician and he is gonna give a politician's answer

He got some good digs in on Larry King last week:

King: "What did you make of Cheney's outburst on the Senate floor?"
Kerry: "I don't know what to make of Dick Cheney. Period."

King: "Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11?"
Kerry: "No, I lived it for four years."

dissention · #27 07-12-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Sad, very true.

"Ooh, the tar people are back again..."

strandinthewind · #28 07-12-2004, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

No, it's not smart. He's going to lose a lot of votes to Nader and Cobb in those five states because of it and he doesn't want that.

That has yet to be demonstrated in a proveable manner or at least that any base votes he loses outweigh the potential to be gained. The minute he loses more than he gains (based on polls I guess) - he will stop it. It is pure politics 101 IMO.