Stevie's lack of confidence

[rianbay1]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
You make very good points flyfirefly!

I did preface that it was tough to speculate on what the circumstances that leads to songs being dropped from their set. But you're right, perhaps some of us have placed the onus on Stevie and Lindsey a bit too heavier than deserved. I'm guilty of that with Stevie, for sure.

Regardless of the circumstances, it's still a little disconcerting and frustrating to see the band you've followed and loved for 26 years live in suspended animation (live-wise) -- essentially doing the same show they've been performing since 1977.

And for those who complain that they don't like hearing new songs because they don't know them...where is the logic in not enjoying it just the same? If someone of that mindset is going to a show (which is usually is taking place to promote a new record), isn't it reasonable to expect new songs? If it's so bothersome, it wouldn't take much effort to get familiarized with the album before attending a show. That kind of "fan" annoys me!

My apologies for the slightly caustic tone...I've had a not-so-good day.

[rianbay1]

Originally posted by PenguinHead

And for those who complain that they don't like hearing new songs because they don't know them...where is the logic in not enjoying it just the same? If someone of that mindset is going to a show (which is usually is taking place to promote a new record), isn't it reasonable to expect new songs? If it's so bothersome, it wouldn't take much effort to get familiarized with the album before attending a show. That kind of "fan" annoys me!

AMEN Penguinhead!!! Nothing pisses me off more than "Fans" Like that too, ESPECIALLY if they are in FRONT of me. Buying a copy of "Rumours" along with 25 million other people does not a FAN make.

BRIAN

[buckmacnicks]

Can anyone explain the reasons why Stevie keeps dropping songs when touring. Either it´s fatigue (menopause?) or lack of interest from the crowd maybe? Though I hardly believe that last point. Illume, Everybody Finds Out and Thrown Down would sit in comfortably between the "classic" songs.
In my opinion these classic songs are not what should be performed. I get so tired when reading "these songs are what the fans want to hear" Not so miss Nicks, you are wrong!

I know almost all of us true hardcore fans would love to hear all her songs from Tusk being performed, plus songs like Crystal, Fireflies and Frozen Love (now what about that one for an encore instead of the ghastly drum solo in World Turning?)

Why does she hate Sara so much that she refuses to play it live? "It doesn´t transfer well to the stage" is a total crap argument, because it was one of the highlights during the Tusk and Mirage tour, as well as during her own early solo tours.
It may be because of the abortion references, but then again these are more apparent in a song like Goodbye Baby and that song gets to be performed!!
Is it someting about the lyrics or what? I know Robert Plant hates the lyrics for Stairway to Heaven so much that he refuses to play it again. What keeps them from rewriting these then and performing them again??

What are you views on this issue?

Greetz,

Marcel.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by sulamith
I am SO SO SO excited about seeing them on June 3rd, but at the same time am almost devastated at the loss of DR and RTTG after the FIRST show!

C'mon!

I am sure I will enjoy the show, and I am grateful, thankful, and very appreciative they are even doing it, but it would be so much better the NEW material was being featured more heavily.

I totally hear ya!

-Sharon

Well. we need to make a banner that is 50 ft by 20 ft., which clearly states our thoughts and then stretch it from one side of the arena to the other. Given our seat locations, we just need to find someone on the other side of the stage

I cannot wait until 6/3/03.

[sulamith]

Haaaaaaay strandie!

Sounds good! Will they let us do it? At least off the section we are sitting?

'Cause if they will, honey I'm going to make one out of a bed sheet and let it fly! lol!

Now don't go upgrading to one of those close floor seats!

We are all going to stay in 117 so we can stand and holla!

-Sharon

p.s. I just found out my BOSS is also going to this show. I'm sorta bummed about it, even though I like her alot and she is totally cool, I am just a bit unnerved about partying and acting a Mac fool with my BOSS-lady around, ya know? She's going to be sitting way back on the floor, so I really want to stay up and above where I am so she won't see me trembling with delight
over the lamest things! I know you guys would understand!

[WindingRoad]

Originally posted by buckmacnicks
Can anyone explain the reasons why Stevie keeps dropping songs when touring. Either it´s fatigue (menopause?) Marcel.

Yep, Marcel, it's that dreaded menopause. Makes you drop songs from your setlist every time.

susieq

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by buckmacnicks
Why does she hate Sara so much that she refuses to play it live? "It doesn´t transfer well to the stage" is a total crap argument, because it was one of the highlights during the Tusk and Mirage tour, as well as during her own early solo tours.
It may be because of the abortion references, but then again these are more apparent in a song like Goodbye Baby and that song gets to be performed!!
What are you views on this issue?

Greetz,

Marcel.

True, Marcel but her ex-boyfriend didn't come out in a national publication and say Goodbye Baby was about an abortion. He did do that with Sara, however and in my opinion, Stevie probably feels that this has ruined the mystique that is Sara.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
True, Marcel but her ex-boyfriend didn't come out in a national publication and say Goodbye Baby was about an abortion. He did do that with Sara, however and in my opinion, Stevie probably feels that this has ruined the mystique that is Sara.

I agree.

- Jake

[The Chain]

What's this abortion thing?! I did't know anything about it. Please don't tell me it's true.

[SpyNote]

I don't think it's fatigue or lack of interest. I agree with the assessment that it seems to be a confidence issue, an irrational fear that the crowd will turn if too much new material is played. After all, this is a woman who still forgets the words to Dreams and gets unusually nervous before every show. It's a defense mechanism to revert back to your comfort zone, to the things that will always be validated.

But Stevie does get big kudos for performing Beautiful Child; it has evolved beautifully with each performance. For example, at the first two shows, she wasn't even attempting to hit the higher "I'm not a CHILD anymore" towards the end of the song. But at AC and Philly, she was singing that same line with so much conviction. If she gave her other songs, particularly Destiny Rules, the same attention, they would inevitably soar to new level as well.

Daniel

[ERigby818]

Though I can't offer any other theories as to why she would drop these new songs.
It SO bothers me that fans who only know the hits would go to the concerts. I would think the fans who go see them live would appreciate album deep cuts and new stuff, especially loyal followers who have seen Dreams, Rhiannon and GDW since they were new!
I have said a million times I would never miss those three songs if they weren't performed live. I just think they don't sound as good as they once did and her new material is more suited to her older voice...she doesn't have to alter the melodies. The thing that bugs me most is that in Rhiannon the part "all your life you've never seen" is all on ONE note now. Ugh.
I'd rather she just dropped it once in a while, maybe not at every show, but just was a little more adventurous and didn't treat those three songs like a security blanket!
Then again, I don't mind seeing Lindsey have the spotlight more in this tour. We haven't goten to see Lindsey on tour as much as Stevie.
-Sonia

[Sorcerer386]

The problem with dropping the old, old songs like Rhiannon and GYOW is that they get the biggest response from the audience. When Rhiannon started playing at Pittsburgh I thought the Mellon Arena might collapse from the cheers at the beginning. It literally scared me -- as in making me jump like when someone goes BOO! I mean, with that kind of response, you WANT to do songs like that. It's no fun doing songs that the audience is going to be half into. Not to mention, even with only 6 new songs now, the critics are still giving FM a ton of credit for including "a healthy dose of new material." I honestly think six new songs from the album is sufficient, although I DO wish it was split three and three.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by Sorcerer386
The problem with dropping the old, old songs like Rhiannon and GYOW is that they get the biggest response from the audience. When Rhiannon started playing at Pittsburgh I thought the Mellon Arena might collapse from the cheers at the beginning. It literally scared me -- as in making me jump like when someone goes BOO! I mean, with that kind of response, you WANT to do songs like that. It's no fun doing songs that the audience is going to be half into. Not to mention, even with only 6 new songs now, the critics are still giving FM a ton of credit for including "a healthy dose of new material." I honestly think six new songs from the album is sufficient, although I DO wish it was split three and three.

I agree completely.
And I'll add that GDW on this tour is outstanding.

Again, I think SOTM would be an excellent pick for Stevie's new voice. Just had to get that in.

- Jake

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by WindingRoad
Yep, Marcel, it's that dreaded menopause. Makes you drop songs from your setlist every time.

susieq

That is so funny! I'll chuckle for hours! Thanks.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by ERigby818
Though I can't offer any other theories as to why she would drop these new songs.
It SO bothers me that fans who only know the hits would go to the concerts. I would think the fans who go see them live would appreciate album deep cuts and new stuff, especially loyal followers who have seen Dreams, Rhiannon and GDW since they were new!
I have said a million times I would never miss those three songs if they weren't performed live. I just think they don't sound as good as they once did and her new material is more suited to her older voice...she doesn't have to alter the melodies. The thing that bugs me most is that in Rhiannon the part "all your life you've never seen" is all on ONE note now. Ugh.
I'd rather she just dropped it once in a while, maybe not at every show, but just was a little more adventurous and didn't treat those three songs like a security blanket!
-Sonia

I'm with you. She was not into singing Rhiannon in Columbus. I wouldn't die if I didn't hear it live for a while but I think she feels that she has to play it.