The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Chit Chat
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #241  
Old 02-24-2005, 01:42 PM
SuzeQuze's Avatar
SuzeQuze SuzeQuze is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: By the sea.
Posts: 10,583
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye
I personally hate that saying more then almost any other saying
Maybe "an eye for an eye" sounds better?
__________________
~Suzy
Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2005, 01:48 PM
Lux
This message has been deleted by Lux.
  #242  
Old 02-24-2005, 01:49 PM
dissention's Avatar
dissention dissention is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 26,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Vicky
You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I don't think it's brutal or barbaric. You do. We'll agree to disagree.

But I don't think its right to call it an act of revenge and was just stating that opinion.
If you don't find taking someone's life the ultimate in barbarism, I don't know what to say.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #243  
Old 02-24-2005, 01:55 PM
Miss Vicky's Avatar
Miss Vicky Miss Vicky is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vacaville, CA
Posts: 3,190
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
If you don't find taking someone's life the ultimate in barbarism, I don't know what to say.
I do believe that killing is okay in certain circumstances and is not necessarily the ultimate in barbarism. Just like I believe that the unborn, at any stage, are just as much alive as I am, yet I maintain a pro-choice stance.

If you disagree with that, good for you, but don't expect me to give a damn.
Reply With Quote
  #244  
Old 02-24-2005, 01:57 PM
dissention's Avatar
dissention dissention is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 26,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Vicky
If you disagree with that, good for you, but don't expect me to give a damn.
I don't give a flying f*ck if you give a damn, my dear.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #245  
Old 02-24-2005, 01:59 PM
DrummerDeanna DrummerDeanna is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 10,499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
I don't give a flying f*ck if you give a damn, my dear.
Ya know - I think Gone with the Wind would have been a much stronger movie had they taken the poetry of your last statement into account for the last scene I'm totally kidding ya btw
Reply With Quote
  #246  
Old 02-24-2005, 02:02 PM
Miss Vicky's Avatar
Miss Vicky Miss Vicky is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vacaville, CA
Posts: 3,190
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
I don't give a flying f*ck if you give a damn, my dear.
Good. Then we agree on something.
Reply With Quote
  #247  
Old 02-24-2005, 02:15 PM
SuzeQuze's Avatar
SuzeQuze SuzeQuze is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: By the sea.
Posts: 10,583
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lux
If murder is such an atrocity, how can the correct response to it be to murder someone? It's not logical and by this thinking would actually take away the atrocity in the original crime. I would tend to think that if one were truly appalled by the crime of murder, regardless of personal circumstances, just the act of murder, they wouldn't be inclined to want to murder someone in return.
Very well put. I could never pull that switch, how could I expect anyone to do that? It's horrible and wrong.
__________________
~Suzy
Reply With Quote
  #248  
Old 02-24-2005, 02:27 PM
The Tower's Avatar
The Tower The Tower is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somewhere out in the back of your mind
Posts: 3,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Vicky
I never said or implied that it was about revenge.
Of course, you did.

You said that the application of the death penalty would depend on how closely associated you were to either the victim or perpetrator of the crime. That point of view specifically puts the application of the death penalty as retribution.

If it were your kid who was killed by someone, then the death penalty would be okay because the killer needs "to get it". However, if your kid were the killer, then you would be more inclined to have society show mercy.

Revenge plain and simple.
Reply With Quote
  #249  
Old 02-24-2005, 02:30 PM
The Tower's Avatar
The Tower The Tower is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somewhere out in the back of your mind
Posts: 3,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye
What the hell is wrong with revenge?
The fact that you have to ask this question prevents anyone from being able to answer you.

Reply With Quote
  #250  
Old 02-24-2005, 02:48 PM
Miss Vicky's Avatar
Miss Vicky Miss Vicky is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vacaville, CA
Posts: 3,190
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tower
Of course, you did.

You said that the application of the death penalty would depend on how closely associated you were to either the victim or perpetrator of the crime. That point of view specifically puts the application of the death penalty as retribution.

If it were your kid who was killed by someone, then the death penalty would be okay because the killer needs "to get it". However, if your kid were the killer, then you would be more inclined to have society show mercy.

Revenge plain and simple.
You've obviously missed the entire point of what I was saying and have used your twisted interpretation of my words to suit your own argument.

So let me say it for at least the third time, and if you don't get it this time, you obviously never will:

I was stating that none of us know for sure how we will react to a given situation until it actually happens and then provided a hypothetical example to show what I meant. Pure and simple.
Reply With Quote
  #251  
Old 02-24-2005, 03:21 PM
The Tower's Avatar
The Tower The Tower is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somewhere out in the back of your mind
Posts: 3,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Vicky
I was stating that none of us know for sure how we will react to a given situation until it actually happens and then provided a hypothetical example to show what I meant. Pure and simple.
Of course, that's the case. Absolutely.

I think it always best to be realistic and own up to the truth. For example, I think christianity is evil and vile, and I have no problems with whatever anyone thinks about that. So, I think that those in favor of the death penalty should just admit that it is a punishment that is exacted strictly for vengeful purposes and get over it.
Reply With Quote
  #252  
Old 02-24-2005, 03:46 PM
estranged4life's Avatar
estranged4life estranged4life is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Mannford, OK
Posts: 13,925
Cool Hmmm...my opinion...

on the death penalty (Excluding Tim McVeigh who got what he deserved, Though he should have had a handgrenade stuck up his ass and the pin pulled instead of getting the painless sleep/death) can be summed up in the following bumper sticker:



__________________

"To acknowledge death is to accept freedom and responsibility."
Reply With Quote
  #253  
Old 02-24-2005, 03:47 PM
SuzeQuze's Avatar
SuzeQuze SuzeQuze is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: By the sea.
Posts: 10,583
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by estranged4life
on the death penalty (Excluding Tim McVeigh who got what he deserved, Though he should have had a handgrenade stuck up his ass and the pin pulled instead of getting the painless sleep/death) can be summed up in the following bumper sticker:



This could have been signed Brian "eloquent as always" J.
__________________
~Suzy
Reply With Quote
  #254  
Old 02-25-2005, 01:00 PM
GateandGarden GateandGarden is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 6,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lux
If murder is such an atrocity, how can the correct response to it be to murder someone? It's not logical and by this thinking would actually take away the atrocity in the original crime. I would tend to think that if one were truly appalled by the crime of murder, regardless of personal circumstances, just the act of murder, they wouldn't be inclined to want to murder someone in return.
I just wanted take much-needed time away from my studies to say that your post is very well put and I totally agree.
Reply With Quote
  #255  
Old 02-25-2005, 03:19 PM
The Tower's Avatar
The Tower The Tower is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somewhere out in the back of your mind
Posts: 3,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lux
If murder is such an atrocity, how can the correct response to it be to murder someone? It's not logical and by this thinking would actually take away the atrocity in the original crime. I would tend to think that if one were truly appalled by the crime of murder, regardless of personal circumstances, just the act of murder, they wouldn't be inclined to want to murder someone in return.
Because death penalty advocates don't believe that the death penalty is murder- they believe that it is government sanctioned punishment. Saying that somehow the lawful act of ending one's life against their will is somehow morally better than the unlawful act of ending one's life against their will is ridiculous.

But death penalty advocates will never get it, because revenge is a powerful emotion that somehow endures its possessor with arrogance, certaintude, and a disregard for anything outside one's own view.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE picture

BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE

$49.99



NEW - JOE COCKER - Take Me Home HTF UK CD Single feat. Bekka Bramlett picture

NEW - JOE COCKER - Take Me Home HTF UK CD Single feat. Bekka Bramlett

$7.49



Bekka Bramlett

Bekka Bramlett "I Got News For You" CD In Mint. Shongaloo Records LLC 1707. 2009

$45.00



BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE picture

BEKKA BRAMLETT - I Got News For You - CD - **Excellent Condition** - RARE

$49.75



RARE Fleetwood Mac Dave Mason Bekka Bramlett Era 93 Original WB Press Kit w 8x10 picture

RARE Fleetwood Mac Dave Mason Bekka Bramlett Era 93 Original WB Press Kit w 8x10

$69.99




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved