liberals....

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sugar

It's not just the decision that bothers me, it's the execution.

Exactly - that is what I was saying. People seem to think W just up and said one day, "Let's go to Iraq" - that decision had been brewing since Clinton bombed them in 1998. Kerry and Clinton and the UN still think Sh was a grave threat and he needed to comply with the UN or be removed. But, W gets the blame because he actually did it. I think Clinton and Kerry are correct when they say after 9/11 we could not longer afford to take the risk that SH had any WMD and he was in material breach of his obligation since 1991 or so to prove he did not have them. Yet, W gets all the blame for doing what others had not the stomach to do

I am pissed because once the world did not accept our inital reasons for the invasion W lied about the exigency of the threat by lying about the yellow cake from Niger and his admin. grossly underestimated the task. For that, he should not be elected again.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

You're really something to behold.

As I've said hundreds of tiems beofre, tax cuts are band-aids, not solutions, and they are very temporary.

I agree with you, they are catalysts. But, if we raise taxes now, what will happen? The economists are uncertain. What we need to do is stop spending money.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

By the way... I think that says it all, for those who feel that Bush has done something wonderful for our country since 9/11.

Wow, Johnny. You said it all, and very eloquently, might I say.

Everyone needs to take a step back and look at this objectively: what has Bush and his administration really done since 9/11, and what have they really done to make us safer? Have the Sherwin Williams paint charts made us any safer? Has the Department of Homeland Security been any help? Have we gotten bin Laden? Have we dealt with North Korea? Were there ANY weapons found in Iraq?

The answer to all those questions is a resounding no.

[CarneVaca]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Uhm... Jason... there's nothing to cry foul about.
I wasn't saying WHO does, or doesn't, raise or lower taxes... I just said that I hope someday people will see that taxes are not the be-all and end-all when it comes to why we should (or shouldn't) vote for a politician.

Next time Jason cries "Foul!" let's all just give him a huge cyber kick in the butt.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Because there are many more terrorist organization on the planet. And - OBL was made somethat irrelevant when Al-Q lost its protected base of operations in Afganistan. I know no self-respecting far left winger will ever admit it, but the busting up of the Taliban and the capture or killing of many Al-Q top officials significantly weakened Al-Q. How could it not But and in the end, capturing OBL should have been a goal - I think it was, but it was not met.

Hmmm...that must be why al-Qaeda boasts 800,000 members and why it's now stronger than it was before 9/11...

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Jason, for the love of God, could you please, for once let the person to whom the question was asked respond instead of making their case for them? I'm interested in their response as you and I have gone round and round on this merry go round for a long time now.
Thank you.

Well EEXXCCCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSEEE MMEEEE

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by CarneVaca

And, I fear, the same will happen this year.

What's to fear? Things can only get better once we dump W.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

and I'd be willing to bet that there are quite a number of people who would have handled it far better than Bush did.

Al Gore comes to mind.

Bill Clinton comes to mind.

Hillary Clinton comes to mind.

Chelsea Clinton comes to mind.

Mr. Ed comes to mind.

[CarneVaca]

Originally Posted by sparky

Hmmm...other than for about 2 days after 9/11, I have NEVER had a shred of fear about terrorism. I don't think there will be another attack on our soil any time soon. For crying out loud, it's been almost three years, and nothing has happened over here. It isn't like anyone needed a PhD to carry out the earlier attacks. A trained monkey could put anthrax in our water supply. Hasn't happened.

I refuse to live my life ruled by fear. I don't we should be governed by it either. Other than seat belts, health insurance and condoms, few of my decisions are fear based. Even those aren't fear based. Common sense is more my rule. Sense, yeah. Fear ? Nope.

Hear, hear. I happen to agree. The terrorist threat is being as exaggerated by the fascists in Washington as much as the right-wing nuts of the 1980s overstated the weapons capabilities of the Soviet Union. Fear is their most valuable commodity.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Don't hold your breath waiting for the trial of Saddam either.

That'll happen the day OJ confesses.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Al Gore comes to mind.

Bill Clinton comes to mind.

Hillary Clinton comes to mind.

Chelsea Clinton comes to mind.

Mr. Ed comes to mind.

Michael Jackson's chimp, Bubbles.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Al Gore comes to mind.

Bill Clinton comes to mind.

Hillary Clinton comes to mind.

Chelsea Clinton comes to mind.

Mr. Ed comes to mind.

I dunno... did you see Bush in that flightsuit?
We either already have Mr. Ed in the White House, or that sucker was stuffed (I'm leaning towards the latter)!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

That'll happen the day OJ confesses.

I honestly think that's what killed Robert Kardashian.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Hmmm...that must be why al-Qaeda boasts 800,000 members and why it's now stronger than it was before 9/11...

So, taking away a sanctioned training ground and capturing or killing many of the top level leadreship and then freezing some of its money did nothing significant to disrupt it. I suggest to think it did not is to ignore reality. But, the far left will NEVER admit it disrupted Al-Q because to do so is to give W a tiny bit of credit. AND - anyone in the WH could have done the same thing. Like Bill Naher says "who hard was it to point at Afganistan on a map and say destroy this" So, in theory W did not do anything anyone else would not have done. Yet, the far left remains unwilling to see the facts as they are

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

What's to fear? Things can only get better once we dump W.

I keep telling myself, "it would only be four more years... it would only be four more years."

Somehow that's not enough to help me sleep at night though.