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[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

I...don't think you're spinning, necessarily...on purpose...I honestly think that there are some facts and opinions you might not be in possession of. None of us knows everything.
It just seems like that from what you say.

All I said was that some welfare rec. are content to stay there and some are caught in a vicious cycle perhaps due to their medical condition.

How is that spinning or implying I know everything?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

It is not your place to tell me that my feelings are invalid.

I am trying to explain to you why I think they are not valid because you miscontrued what I said.

Again, I was not talking about all welfare rec. What part of that is hard to get?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am trying to explain to you why I think they are not valid because you miscontrued what I said.

Again, I was not talking about all welfare rec. What part of that is hard to get?

Your initial statement was just apalling to me. And yes I'm angry but that's okay too. And since you asked, yes, I'm in pain. goodnight.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am trying to explain to you why I think they are not valid because you miscontrued what I said.

Again, I was not talking about all welfare rec. What part of that is hard to get?

Here's where you mentioned Welfare:

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

True for the most part, but then there is the problem of once you put someone on the public tit, they do not want to get off of it; or, they get put in govt. housing, turn to drugs and get thrown out'or, they are mentally ill, get put in meds, get released, stop taking the meds, etc. I fully realize not everyone on welfare thinks that way or is in this situation, but clearly that problem exists and it is part of welfare that has to be fixed. Yet, when any politician has the sand to say that, they are branded an uncaring racist and when any person not on welfare ever in their lives says it, they are told they have no clue whay they are talking about and are an elitist.

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Just saying. I don't like excess political correctness, either, but I have the feeling the potential for, and ramifications of, any kind of slur, are different. And by that, I mean in the different states, the law comes out different.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Your initial statement was just apalling to me. And yes I'm angry but that's okay too. And since you asked, yes, I'm in pain. goodnight.

Well, I hope you get better and don't be mad at me

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

Here's where you mentioned Welfare:

Well, I know, but I specifically noted that not all welfare rec. are like that, to wit:

I fully realize not everyone on welfare thinks that way or is in this situation, but clearly that problem exists and it is part of welfare that has to be fixed.

Thus, I was not talking about all rec. of welfare.

Out of curiosity, do you think the things I mentioned never occur and/or they are not a problem?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, I hope you get better and don't be mad at me

I try not to hold on to anger. That's why it's just better to safely express it and move on. You don't see where your statement could be construed as just a tad elitist and cold though?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

. . . Just saying. I don't like excess political correctness, either, but I have the feeling the potential for, and ramifications of, any kind of slur, are different. And by that, I mean in the different states, the law comes out different.

okay - that made no sense to me

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Actually the real problem is....(bet you can guess what I'm going to say before I say it....) LIBERALS! I'm sick of hearing how capitalism is the "root" of all evil and the "reason" for the homeless. And even more sick about hearing how conservatives are responsible for racism and the poor, and what links them together.

Liberals are going to have to accept at some point, that they are not responsible for civil rights and equality in this country. They are responsible for supporting the party who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act and currently aid in the perseverance of patronizing racism that feeds a culture of entitlement which kills the incentive of the individual, white or black, to achieve.

SUCH USEFUL INFORMATION.

Blame it on liberals. Call someone names. Point fingers ! Like that idiot shill bitch Ann Coulter. No solutions, just name calling and **** stirring. Brilliant. I didn't even read the rest of the thread after this post yet. I will, but your idiocy riles the hell out of me. There is nothing constructive here, nothing but provocation. This really helps. This furthers discusion. YOU ought to run for office. Hollering, screaming, belittling people and a political party out of some blind stupid, thoughtless adherence to a party you affiliate with. And offering nothing.

I joined this thread to get some input on other people's ideas about what causes and contributes to homelessness and poverty.

WHAT A GENIUS YOU ARE.

Thank you for your information, insight and open mided desire to figure out the causes of this problem.

Someone give me a strike for this post. I BEG OF YOU. It will be worth it.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, I know, but I specfically noted that not all welfare rec. are like that, to wit:

I fully realize not everyone on welfare thinks that way or is in this situation, but clearly that problem exists and it is part of welfare that has to be fixed.

Do you think that is not a problem?

It is a problem, but it's not the kind of problem you think it is, and it's not the size problem you are intimating it is.

That "problem" is like...the tip of the iceberg of things that should be addressed.
uh, do you want me to get the "cost of welfare compared to defense" chart out again?
Yeah, it needs to be fixed, but not in a "cutting budget" way. Sheesh. Good lawd. Criminy.
okay, love ya, I'm going to go eat. May check back. Have good night. Wish I had a candybar. Oops.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I try not to hold on to anger. That's why it's just better to safely express it and move on. You don't see where your statement could be construed as just a tad elitist and cold though?

Well, it was not intended that way.

Are you upset because I used the phrase public tit? If so, I can substitute it for public assisstance rolls. But, even then, the existence of SOME of the people on welfare being content to stay there and the other problems still exist and they need to be fixed.

I do not see how that is elitist or cold, esp. since I have repeatedly said in this and other threads that America should do way more than it does to help its poor.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

It is a problem, but it's not the kind of problem you think it is, and it's not the size problem you are intimating it is.

That "problem" is like...the tip of the iceberg of things that should be addressed.
uh, do you want me to get the "cost of welfare compared to defense" chart out again?
Yeah, it needs to be fixed, but not in a "cutting budget" way. Sheesh. Good lawd. Criminy.
okay, love ya, I'm going to go eat. May check back. Have good night. Wish I had a candybar. Oops.

I never said that

But, whatever.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

okay - that made no sense to me

alright.
1.I don't like super political correctness either. You said something about people being accused of racism.
2.I have the feeling we have different ideas of what "inappropriate" constitutes.
3.Because your home state law and attitudes are different than mine.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

1.I don't like super political correctness either

Me either.

Originally Posted by amber

You said something about people being accused of racism.

Well, that happens. Do you deny that.

Originally Posted by amber

2.I have the feeling we have different ideas of what "inappropriate" constitutes.

Well, that may be true - but where in this thread have I been inappropriate? Please be specific.

Originally Posted by amber

3.Because your home state law and attitudes are different than mine.

What does that have to do with anything regarding my accurate point that some abuse the system, etc.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by dissention

Government should be there to help people and it's currently doing a shameful job of that.

I love you- end of story. In some other reality- some other planet- you and I are joined togehter.... well, Jason and Sparky are there too, but quit yer bitching.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Aren't you guilty of that as well though? I get that you have said you give large amounts to charity; I am not asserting otherwise. I give too and I have given not only money but my time as well and have done so for many years. But, at what point is it enough when the govt. already takes like 35% or more of our income? I think the answer is that is a personal choice no one should comment on lest they want that high powered judgment turned on them. I am sure that there are homeless people who would scoff at me having a computer while they haven't eaten in days. Should I sell my computer and all my extraneous (however defined) possessions and live in a one room box with no decoration at all because somewhere someone will have less than I do I realize that is an extreme example, but the logic is the same.

Having said that, I certainly think people should be as chartiable as possible and I think most are, despite your assertion that few care. I base that on the staggering amount of private donations in this country.

Jason, your defense of the wealthy is getting very old. Most people want to keep their money and few are willing to help- prejudices foster that as well.

I know that you are a sweetie-pie, but unfortunately most of the "wealthy" are not interested in giving up their stuff. Sorry, it's a fact of life. The whole reason for government and society is because greedy bastards withheld and wouldn't share the wealth.