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She's a meglomaniac. She needs and craves attention. Especially with FM. It's ground zero for her. And the fact that they did an album and tour without her, drove her insane. It fueled the power struggle to the point of her pushing him out. He got his way without her. Album, tour and Christine. Check to the Checkmate in a cesspool of a toxic relationship that's been fake for many many years.
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Dave Grohl introduced her as Lindsey Buckingham's girl at the Sound City Player shows. I thought Lindsey was useless and she did everything with no help from him? Why does she bring him up so much? |
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Less than two years later, an entity called Fleetwood Mac with different people was on a massive arena tour playing the big Fleetwood Mac hits. People might not have had a clue as to who was in Fleetwood Mac, but they sure as hell knew who wasn’t in it. That said, I agree the Rumours Fleetwood Mac minus Stevie could have played the Beacon and charged ridiculous prices. My observation is that people who go to places like the Beacon have a deeper connection to the music than the arena/stadium/large amphitheater goers. But you’re off your rocker if you think Fleetwood Mac is an arena band without Stevie. Quote:
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In a 1995 AOL chat, Christine said that Dave Mason wouldn’t have been her first choice. When asked who her first choice would have been, she said Lindsey Buckingham. In 2018, it was clear that Christine didn’t like what happened and still said glowing things about Lindsey (which isn’t to say she didn’t like Mike Campbell and Neil Finn). Christine enjoyed working with Lindsey, but Mick and John are family.
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How is her status in 2007 relevant to her status 2017? I mean, she wasn’t a rock star and international sex symbol in 1967, but the epitome of both in 1977. Things change in ten years. Stevie did a tour in 2005 and a smallish tour in 2006, so there was a saturation of solo Stevie by 2007. The 24KG was the first Stevie Nicks solo tour in six years, the first since the AHS boost in her popularity, and was on the heels of Fleetwood Mac’s big reunion tour with Christine McVie. Sure, the Pretenders opened, but they’re not exactly an arena rock band.
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I'm talking about 'you should change your verb tense' in Thrown Down, wear a cardigan on SYW tour, don't lift your mic off the stand or you'll look like a Vegas act,,, telling John how he should play bass, choosing to bang on a kleenex box over Mick's drumming. etc etc
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I don't understand why you mentioned 1967 to 1977. That's a red herring because it's a career beginning; Madonna wasn't a rock star and international sex symbol in 1979, but the epitome of both in 1984. Madonna toured 2004, did live appearances in 2005, 2006, did a few live appearances in 07, had her most successful tour in 2008. What does 1994-5 Fleetwood Mac have to do with a fantasy FM with no Stevie? Couldn't FM no SN have AHS, Glee, and GYOW in tons of commercials taking them into Staples Center and Barclays Center? Charging $55-$150? They could still book interviews on Ellen and Today Show. They could have TV commercials like this last go round did, playing Don't Stop, GYOW, Say You Love Me, and The Chain. Please don't respond offensively. Thank you. |
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These are examples from decades ago. Would you recommend reading "Gold Dust Woman" by Stephen Davis if I wanted to find examples of Lindsey's control issues? Thank you. |
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the verb tense thing is total bull****. It's the kind of feedback a producer provides. It wasn't done meanly or nastily (which yes he at times had done in the past, esp. when they were breaking up and he was not happy about it, and so yes I get that might sensitize her to any feedback from him -- but then that's on her for projecting past **** onto present situations).
In the interim she had become a big solo star (though one who faded in the late 80s and the 90s and who should remember that is still possible) and that made her feel like she had the power to not have anyone around her critique her in any way. He does not buy into that mindset so much, and she hates it. (who is he to talk to me like that now that I'm a far bigger star than he is and he needs me more than I need him for my career). From what various members and roadies, producers etc have said, Lindsey probably did overstep a bit in the beginning by telling John and Mick what and how to play to get the effect he desired on his songs, being used to being the boss in BN and not recognizing that at that point he had joined THEIR band not vice-versa. I don't think John needed bass playing lessons, and perhaps LB could have gotten the desired results better if he'd been more collaborative and less directive in his approach. John clearly let him know this. Remember, Chris has described LB in those days as moody, a bit mercurial, hard to get to know, a bit distant. Maybe a bit resentful (as he still thinks BN was on the verge of breaking thru at that point). He focused on what they gave up to doing FM and Stevie focused on what they gained. (which for her was some other people between her and LB). She's never going to interpret anything that happens between them free from their pasts. He seems more desirous of starting a new chapter.
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However, how Dave Grohl referred to Stevie is almost never relevant to any discussion and is the epitome of a red herring. Madonna, Cher, and Tina Turner are generally red herrings in the discussion of Fleetwood Mac. Who cares about them? They weren’t in Fleetwood Mac. Quote:
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And no never any personal attacks, that I can remember.. BUT, I always enjoy reading your many replies....and most of it makes a lot of sense. |
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And I'll share with you that my view is that Stevie's hitmaking resume didn't change from 2007 to 2017. 2001 was the last time she had a record that sold really well and got a lot of play on a cable music channel, VH1. And if we're talking about a change in venues from 2007 to 2017, the 24 Tour did have a shared billing, just like the CV Tour did. The Pretenders got an hour or so, which is the same time Chris Isaak got. Their name was printed on the ticket. They got heavy video mention in the tour commercials. I'll bet this will be pleasing to you: Lindsey solo, Mick solo, or John solo - all individuals who released solo music - could not fill those venues - except Lindsey who did fill the Sands Event Center that Stevie played on 24 Tour. When Stevie did a Summer/Fall run of the 24 Tour alone, she played a State Fair, 2 nights at a picnic venue in a Chicago suburb, B/C/D Market facilities in Saint Charles, MO, Green Bay, and Youngstown, OH. I think Vanessa Carlton might've been the opening act. Quote:
But to borrow your position that Stevie's selling power changed from 2007-2017 because of AHS and whatever else you mentioned. Couldn't FM ticket sales benefit from the AHS, Glee, Guitar Hero, GYOW in commercials even without Stevie in the lineup? |
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if Lindsey released OOTC soon after he left FM and before the grunge era started, that record would have had a very different commercial path. and FM in the era of punk (Tusk time) was already an uncool establishment dinosaur and viewed differently than in the era of Rumours. years that pass and events that happen in between, some that band members have a hand in and others that are completely out of their control (punk, grunge) all influence commerciality. i was watching a Deep Purple doc on AXS the other day, and Ritchie Blackmore was discussing a difference between popular, commercial, good musicianship, and being able to fit in the popular culture of the moment. i wish i remember how he expressed it, it was interesting. considering the difference in just 10 years (2007-2017), just think how both SN's and Fleetwood Mac's brand has changed since 1994 - 2020, 26 years? and imagine how it changed since their tiktok newfound fame? they all sold their publishing (Mick recording rights) for tons of money since then.
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Ding, Ding give the lady a prize for the correct answer.
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Anybody know when B/N will be released on CD?
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