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[dissention]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Who needs $9,000 shoes? I mean really....why not use that money for something worthwhile? Feek a homeless kids, donate some clothes to a woman's shelter I don't know...it bugs me sometimes...

If I had made this statement, Jason would be all up in my face.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Jason, I just love your typos.



So many images come to my mind when I pronounce her name like that...

OMG

me and my typing!!!!!!!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

If I had made this statement, Jason would be all up in my face.

Well, she is a lady and though you may sit to pee - you are not

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Also - almost all celebs have some kind of charity that donates to causes. So, a yang exists for the ying

Hehe. Half of those celebrity charities are just fronts to gain some good PR; the majority of them only end up donating 10-20% of all donations and eat up the rest in operating costs. Cher's chairty and Spielberg's charity are the really ridiculous ones.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Hehe. Half of those celebrity charities are just fronts to gain some good PR; the majority of them only end up donating 10-20% of all donations and eat up the rest in operating costs. Cher's chairty and Spielberg's charity are the really ridiculous ones.

I think charities that pay execs or celebs a fortune or have outrageous perks on the way to feed the indigent suck. Sadly, people realized that they could put on a $100,000 fashion show to raise $500,000 - so they do it. And, being the hypocrite I am, I go to these

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think charities that pay execs or celebs a fortune or have outrageous perks on the way to feed the indigent suck.

You were all over me when I said the exact same thing.

I think the celebrities that make such demands and accept such extravagances are the worse than the charities that end up indulging them. They make me sick to stomach. Give them a fruit basket, not a Rolex.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Sadly, people realized that they could put on a $100,000 fashion show to raise $500,000 - so they do it. And, being the hypocrite I am, I go to these

If you're happy to feed into it, by all means, go ahead. :P

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know - but I do not want anyone telling me not to spend money on whatever I want - so as hard as it is, I will not tell them. I mean what we consider okay for us would be a horrifying amount of money to someone living in a box Just look at the $150 or more people spent on seeing FM, which though I regard highly, is not a necessity

Also - almost all celebs have some kind of charity that donates to causes. So, a yang exists for the yin

I totally see that point too.....and I think of that when I'm buying something like A Little House on the Prairie season on DVD...lol...really there must be something more worthwhile I could do with that money....like feed a homeless kid lol....

It's just something I think about - I was more thinking through my fingers - not making a statement that people shouldn't spend money on whatever they want ya know?

Just thinking out loud a little a guess

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

You were all over me when I said the exact same thing.

I think the celebrities that make such demands and accept such extravagances are the worse than the charities that end up indulging them. They make me sick to stomach.

No, I think what I said was the charities realize that to make big money they have to spend it. That is the system. I do not like it though. I think people should give freely to honest charities. I do think though that corps. do it for the advertising and I do not have a huge prob. with that because that is not really a perk like a suite or a Rolex.

Originally Posted by dissention

If you're happy to feed into it, by all means, go ahead. :P

There was nooooooo way I was not going to the AHI Enchanted tour benefit concert Seriously, the system will never change and I do love a four course dinner with chicken and a steak

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I totally see that point too.....and I think of that when I'm buying something like A Little House on the Prairie season on DVD...lol...really there must be something more worthwhile I could do with that money....like feed a homeless kid lol....

It's just something I think about - I was more thinking through my fingers - not making a statement that people shouldn't spend money on whatever they want ya know?

Just thinking out loud a little a guess

I know - I get that way too. So, I say live your life as best you can and pray for the best

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

No, I think what I said was the charities realize that to make big money they have to spend it. That is the system. I do not like it though. I think people should give freely to honest charities.

You told me that the celebrities (and the charities) realize that they're bringing lots of money into the charities, so you didn't see anything wrong with them getting such ridiculous rewards. I find it abhorrent for anyone to only participate in raising charitable funds when they get something in return. You would think that the satisfaction of helping out your fellow human beings would be the only thing they would need.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

There was nooooooo way I was not going to the AHI Enchanted tour benefit concert Seriously, the system will never change and I do love a four course dinner with chicken and a steak

If that's what floats your boat.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know - I get that way too. So, I say live your life as best you can and pray for the best

That's what I try to do...

I have a sort of inner dilema with all this - which is where I get confused with myself

See I figure I work hard and have been working non-stop since I was 16 - I'm trying to build a better life for myself that my mom had ya know? Therefore I should be able to buy whatever the hell I want....

BUT then I think of the homeless kids lol....I think too much - this is perhaps my problem....

Whatever though - usually my first train of thought wins out and I buy things for myself

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by amber

I didn't say Americans didn't work hard.

Well good, because we DO. btw: I DID mention natural resources as a factor.

Im not saying there arent lazy people or that everyone donates to red cross
(that bit of fluff over "pronoun trouble" isnt applicable) BUT: our tax dollars go to fill the coffers in DC which in turn contribute to the pot of aid relief. So, in a very REAL sense, WE all do contribute (except perhaps those on public assistance)

[David]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

It's just something I think about

That may be the first important step on the path to wisdom, Deanna -- thinking about your actions & your deeds, as well as the actions & deeds of others. Can a life be well-lived if the question is never asked: Should I want what I do in fact want?

Imagine if people everywhere started seriously asking themselves that question. Programming would shrivel up & TV would go off the air (even PBS!); governments would topple as politicians found themselves in bread lines; & sales of computers, autos, hairdryers, magazines, DVDs, CDs, salad spinners, plastic plants, cell phones, designer furnishings, bottled water, swimming pools, speed boats & vacation homes would plummet!

The spirit of Epictetus lives yet.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

You told me that the celebrities (and the charities) realize that they're bringing lots of money into the charities, so you didn't see anything wrong with them getting such ridiculous rewards. I find it abhorrent for anyone to only participate in raising charitable funds when they get something in return. You would think that the satisfaction of helping out your fellow human beings would be the only thing they would need.

If I said that - I misspoke. What I meant to say was that the system is in place and they are all playing in it. I think they should not do that, but I get why they do. I mean that Rolex was undoubtably donated so it is not like the charity is paying for it. Plus, I know this sounds awful, but having been on boards that have thrown huge high profile parties in Atlanta - people will not come unless you bait them. And - that includes both the public and the celebs. You have to have a silent auction and a big item raffle if you want to make any money. I think it sucks that it is like this, but having done it, I realize that is the reality - and it has been like that for the last 200 or so years that I can see.

[David]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

that bit of fluff over "pronoun trouble" isnt applicable

Really? That's very interesting.