Stevie's weight?

[dissention]

Honestly, I could care less if people talked about Stevie's weight. Everyone who finds it distasteful is a hypocrite because *everyone* makes comments about other peoples body weight. I would even bet money that some of the folks who find talking about Stevie's weight is distasteful have made comments about Lara Flynn Boyle's or Calista Flockhart's body weight (or lack thereof). I'm sure everyone has made comments and just because it's about Stevie, it doesn't make it any different or wrong. I think talking about her weight and how it may have affected her career is very constructive because, after all, this board is here to DISCUSS the band and it's members in all aspects. However, when people make disgusting comments about her saying that she's fat and should be ashamed, that is out of line and has no place here because it's offensive and rude.

We have discussed her hair, her drug use, her lovers, her finally retired black funeral dress, her breasts and cup size, her house, her music, her career, EVERYTHING. But now her weight is taboo? I find that to be ridiculous and just because others look down on talking about it, it doesn't mean I will. As long as it isn't mean-spirited, I see nothing wrong with it. And the people who say mean things just show their true colors, as do the people who gladly participated in the weight discussion but then frowned upon it.

I understand that people adore Stevie and her music. I do, too. But I don't hold her up as if she's an angel and defend everyhing about her as some do; that, to me, is a ridiculous thing to do and a waste of time. Cripes, if someone says that they hate Stevie's reeboks, twelve obsessers will tear them apart and split the body parts equally. If you want to talk about Stevie's weight, DO IT.

Good god, gimme a break.

Originally posted by dissention
Honestly, I could care less if people talked about Stevie's weight.................Good god, gimme a break.

amen!!! snap snap!!!

[GeminiStar03]

Listen, I only became harsh b/c when someone talks about somebody that I care about--it pisses me off. As a girl that has been picked on for her weight when I was young, that was something that was not easy to deal with. I just know that if someone really was a fan of Stevie's, what would it matter how much she weighed? I'm not saying that there can't be freedom of speech, i was just saying that i think it's rude to pick on someone in that way and u never know if Stevie would ever come on here. I know a lot of stars like to check out the boards and see what their fans are satisfied with and what not...This has just gotten too out of hand...

Kim

[dissention]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Listen, I only became harsh b/c when someone talks about somebody that I care about--it pisses me off. As a girl that has been picked on for her weight when I was young, that was something that was not easy to deal with. I just know that if someone really was a fan of Stevie's, what would it matter how much she weighed? I'm not saying that there can't be freedom of speech, i was just saying that i think it's rude to pick on someone in that way and u never know if Stevie would ever come on here. I know a lot of stars like to check out the boards and see what their fans are satisfied with and what not...This has just gotten too out of hand...

Kim

Kim--

I hope you don't think I was attacking you or singling you out; I was speaking to everyone that has read this thread. I agree with you that no one should have mean things said about them because of their weight. I just think that if people can talk about it in a civil way, more power to them. That's what a message board is for.

[GeminiStar03]

OK yeah, I can sort of agree with what trackaghost is saying but...I just saw Stevie this Sunday and she looked fine. I mean, she was not thin thin like in th 70's but I think that she is at a healthy weight for her age and I think she's just adorable. I mean, I really do think that she should keep her weight where it is now b/c it just seems to fit her at this point. The thing I *don't* get, is Y John's weight isn't brought up if weight is such an issue. I don't think that it should be brought up but i'm just saying that women are picked on continuously for this issue and it really pisses me off! What is with some of u men that think that women should be perfect? I'm getting so sick of it and it's getting out of hand.

Kim

[The Catdancer]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
No I won't ever forget it........

It was a privilege to have met her........

I agree with you, Pip, I'll never forget it either. She has such a strong personality and is such a wonderful woman. She REALLY cares.
Deb

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
I do think that if the true fans of Stevie wanted to make sure that Stevie would not be hurt in any way, they would agree and not care if any of their posts on here were deleted.

Kim

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! I am a "true" fan and you don't speak for me! There is some weird egotistical thing going on here with this thread...people are under the illusion that they can protect Stevie from being hurt. What you and others don't realize --- in your overly politically correct, simplistic, naive and myopic perspective.....

Don't assume that anything that is discussed here affects Stevie in any major way.

I would very much care if my posts were deleted "to make sure Stevie would not be hurt in anyway."

A discussion of weight doesn't always equate with insults and "bashing"

Just because someone takes an easy opportunity to post what some would consider a hurtful or mean-spirited message, doesn't make it right to delete the entire thread.

If you don't like what someone has posted...post a reply.

I sense that the issue of weight hits too close to home for some Ledgies in particular. The fact they've overreacted to the point where they justify censorship because they feel they can protect Stevie feelings....it seems like the issue has more to do with their own feelings and own issues regarding weight.

Get over your own issues on your own time, in your own place. Too bad if you are offended that this thread exists. Again I ask....what other subjects should be banned? Should we just call for a ban on anything that offends anyone? Should we reduce and moniter this board so narrowly that only positive comments of Stevie and the Band will be allowed? Positive propoganda only!

No getting around it...it's censorship. And that is more offensive to me than anything any idiot would post here. The more you keep calling for this thread to be banned, the more I and others will post objections to that ban.

This is the first time I've really been absolutely disappointed and disgusted with this board.

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Most celebs like to check out what their fans are talking about and if they're enjoying their shows. Kim

AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT????????????????????? Since when have you become the spokesperson for "most celebs"? I believe the opposite is most likely the reality. Who is right? And how can we prove it?

This has nothing do with protecting Stevie. It has everything to do with protecting Freedom of Speech. If this board bowed down to every request to ban what some deem as hurtful...well, that's called fascism! Welcome To The Ledge - a Fan Fascist Regime!

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by sodascouts
I'm not trying to disparage your post - I think your comments are very intelligent. I agree that this thread should not be deleted because of its touchy subject matter, although I do see bashing going on. However, you've stumbled across a pet peeve of mine. The correct term is "moot" point.

Nancy! Thanks for addressing my mistake! I'm a stickler for correct grammar. I'll never make that "moot" mistake again!

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
Nancy! Thanks for addressing my mistake! I'm a stickler for correct grammar. I'll never make that "moot" mistake again!

LOL - me too. I will freely admit I make mistakes. However, someone pm'd me earlier regarding my "incorrect" use of the word "severer." They said the comparative of severe is more severe. I know it sounds awkward, but the comparative of severe is severer. Go figure!!!

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
Nancy! Thanks for addressing my mistake! I'm a stickler for correct grammar. I'll never make that "moot" mistake again!

Thanks for taking that in the spirit it was intended! Now that strandinthewind mentions it, though, a PM WOULD have been more tactful - sorry!

[wondergirl9847]

4...you can say whatever you want about Miss Stevie, it's not going to change ANYONE'S mind as to how much they love her, so why are you trying to get at everyone's goad, by saying these things?

Miss Stevie looks frickin AMAZING for her age, considering what she did back in the day. I say the SAME for Lindsey, he looks AWESOME. Also, take into account how some OTHER rockers look and WOW. Yikes.

[GeminiStar03]

OK PenguinHead, so u think that a true fan goes around and puts Stevie down? I think u got something mixed up b/c did I exactly say that U were not a true fan? Geez! So u actually think it is ok for people to talk down on Stevie, huh? You think it's ok that she was hurt back in the 90's when she was put down for no apparent reason? I have no clue why I joined the Ledge b/c it's just a bunch of BS filled with mostly rude people. I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish! I now know why.

Kim

[wondergirl9847]

I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish!

That's not very nice.

When you have message boards, there are ALL sorts of people, people you WILL agree with and those you WILL NOT. You just have to deal with those folks that you don't agree with. I love this board BECAUSE people are very open and honest...if we all agreed, dang, this place would be boooooooring.

EDIT: BTW...I hope you choose not to leave this board, because it really IS a fun place, but yeah, there ARE threads like THIS that are gonna be raw.

[GeminiStar03]

I say that b/c there is NO bashing of band members on that board and I will say what I please.