Cindy Sheehan arrested before SOTU

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have not been there - but, I have to say Logan's Roadhouse makes one hell of a steak for about $15.00

Is that in NYC also? I love talking food. I'd love to do more eating out at nice places. BTW, if you're ever in Minneapolis, I'll take you to Manny's in the Hyatt downtown. Hows that?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

And - one of my favorite things is the Sunday brunch at Cafe Botanica in the Essex House.

Fantastic. Everything about it was just fantastic.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

Is that in NYC also? I love talking food. I'd love to do more eating out at nice places.

Logan's is a chain. It is the kind of place you throw the peanut shells on the ground But, it is very good.

I love eating out, but it can be expensive even if you do only moderate places.

Originally Posted by DavidMn

BTW, if you're ever in Minneapolis, I'll take you to Manny's in the Hyatt downtown. Hows that?

You got a deal there!!!!!!!!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Fantastic. Everything about it was just fantastic.

I mean the park and the horses and carriages are directly across the street and can be enjoyed through those HUGE windows. The buffet is fab. and if you don't want just that, you can order off the menu. The Essex House itself is an art deco masterpiece. Interestingly, it is no longer a Starwood property, so we will see what will happen to that rest.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I think "being mean to them" is putting it mildly. I would've come out and straight up said that guy's a dick. But I guess I just did.


Yep. It's still a free country. Or a mirage thereof. Unfortunately, no one ever brought any of this to my attention. I have to hear about it all second and third hand. People go sulking off like they've been wronged. How would I know they feel that way if they don't tell me?
Sorry Amber, this isn't really directed at you. Your musings just inspired a stream of conciousness rambling from me. Would you like to be my muse?

Its interesting that Amber's original post has been deleted. All I wanted to express was that people should think about what they are posting and be respectful of one another! But perhaps that is an old fashioned notion. Silly me.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Its interesting that Amber's original post has been deleted. All I wanted to express was that people should think about what they are posting and be respectful of one another! But perhaps that is an old fashioned notion. Silly me.

I don't want to speak for Jason and Mary but I look at the way they argue kind of in the same light as couples who like to fight before they have wild, passionate sex (not that Jason and Mary are having wild, passionate sex- well at least not with each other ). It gets their motors running, so to speak. They aren't out to harm one another. And because I'm familiar with both of them and they post a lot, I know that. Neither one of them has ever complained to me about the other. Now, if they did, that would certainly be another thing. But if we take a "one size fits all" approach and rules are rules, then look at all of the fun I would deprive them of.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I don't want to speak for Jason and Mary but I look at the way they argue kind of in the same light as couples who like to fight before they have wild, passionate sex (not that Jason and Mary are having wild, passionate sex- well at least not with each other ). It gets their motors running, so to speak. They aren't out to harm one another. And because I'm familiar with both of them and they post a lot, I know that. Neither one of them has ever complained to me about the other. Now, if they did, that would certainly be another thing. But if we take a "one size fits all" approach and rules are rules, then look at all of the fun I would deprive them of.

Well that's a good point. Perhaps it would be better for me to just not read it if it makes me cringe! I just felt that since Jason and Mary have thick skins it might be a good time to point out what I felt was disrespectful. Also that it seemed to be a trend around here and that maybe people should give a little more thought to their posts. That is all.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So, if I had said they were "patently incorrect" or "not grounded in fact" - etc. that would be okay? So, I am never allowed to use the word pathetic when describing an opinion - come on - that is pathetic

BTW - Mary just called me (as in the past) an elitist and this time one full of "hot air" - and I am not offended, but certainly, she should be called out for this as well

I realize this is late after the fact, but I have not had access to the internet, and I wanted to respond to these statements.

Jason, apparently you didnt take the time to READ the material I posted from the Public Policy Institute regarding economic indicators. The fact that you keep harping on the number of people who cant play the stock market because of Enron/MCI's skullduggery shows ME that you have absolutely NO concept of the realities of life for anyone making less than 50K per year.

As the graph and explanatory paragraphs pointed out, there are many things during a President's term that he cannot control. However there are many more that he DOES have control over and it is these policy decisions that affect the quality of life for the regular guy on the street. You go to a cafe in smalltown USA, you're going to hear about the lack of decent work, the lack of decent healthcare, the price of food/gas/childcare/insurance/mortgage payments etc. You are not usually going to hear a spirited discussion about the collapse of Enron/MCI and how the stock market is going to suffer. My whole premise regarding the state of the economy looked at everyday concerns. Yours looked at concerns of people with considerably more discretionary income. That is what I meant by you always looking at things from the TOP END. As my second supporting post pointed out, the collapse of Enron et al did NOT affect the economy to the degree you seem to think it did (if at ALL). Thats not to say that our economy isnt in trouble, merely that I think the cause has more to do with the current administrations PRIORITIES than it does with the exposure of corruption in our corporations.

Btw, I would appreciate an explanation of this "phantom wealth" phenomenon you keep harping on. Please explain to me how the fact that a few thousand employees losing their savings/pensions created the money I used to buy my home. That should be interesting. I think I'll call it the "phantom theory".

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Well that's a good point. Perhaps it would be better for me to just not read it if it makes me cringe! I just felt that since Jason and Mary have thick skins it might be a good time to point out what I felt was disrespectful. Also that it seemed to be a trend around here and that maybe people should give a little more thought to their posts. That is all.

I dont usually engage in name calling (or curse words LOL!) I try to get my point across without resorting to that. But I did point out early on that Jason was being derrogatory without actually providing any substance to support his claims. I did delete the one comment I made--but I'll still be thinkin it Jason my boy!

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

But if we take a "one size fits all" approach and rules are rules, then look at all of the fun I would deprive them of.

so....what youre saying is that the 'rules' here at the ledge do not apply to everyone? if that is the case, who then determines what rules are applied to which members? im curious.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I realize this is late after the fact, but I have not had access to the internet, and I wanted to respond to these statements.

Jason, apparently you didnt take the time to READ the material I posted from the Public Policy Institute regarding economic indicators. The fact that you keep harping on the number of people who cant play the stock market because of Enron/MCI's skullduggery shows ME that you have absolutely NO concept of the realities of life for anyone making less than 50K per year.

As the graph and explanatory paragraphs pointed out, there are many things during a President's term that he cannot control. However there are many more that he DOES have control over and it is these policy decisions that affect the quality of life for the regular guy on the street. You go to a cafe in smalltown USA, you're going to hear about the lack of decent work, the lack of decent healthcare, the price of food/gas/childcare/insurance/mortgage payments etc. You are not usually going to hear a spirited discussion about the collapse of Enron/MCI and how the stock market is going to suffer. My whole premise regarding the state of the economy looked at everyday concerns. Yours looked at concerns of people with considerably more discretionary income. That is what I meant by you always looking at things from the TOP END. As my second supporting post pointed out, the collapse of Enron et al did NOT affect the economy to the degree you seem to think it did (if at ALL). Thats not to say that our economy isnt in trouble, merely that I think the cause has more to do with the current administrations PRIORITIES than it does with the exposure of corruption in our corporations.

Btw, I would appreciate an explanation of this "phantom wealth" phenomenon you keep harping on. Please explain to me how the fact that a few thousand employees losing their savings/pensions created the money I used to buy my home. That should be interesting. I think I'll call it the "phantom theory".

You will get no more response from me as I am wasting my time doing so and am missing out on being harsh, cruel, and judgemental on the poor.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

so....what youre saying is that the 'rules' here at the ledge do not apply to everyone? if that is the case, who then determines what rules are applied to which members? im curious.

Everyone has tried to give you a rational response to this question. I don't know what else to tell you. If you continue to harp on this subject, I'm just going to let you know right now that I consider it baiting. You've been going on about this for almost a good two months that I know of. Move on from this subject please or take it off the public forums. It's disruptive.

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Everyone has tried to give you a rational response to this question. I don't know what else to tell you. If you continue to harp on this subject, I'm just going to let you know right now that I consider it baiting. You've been going on about this for almost a good two months that I know of. Move on from this subject please or take it off the public forums. It's disruptive.

thanks!

[amber]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

thanks!

do you know where the answer was? I searched GDW's posts for a few pages for the answer, but didn't see it. On the face of the situation it seems unfair to me, too, if someone says the rules are flexible depending on who is talking, so I want to see the answer.

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by amber

do you know where the answer was? I searched GDW's posts for a few pages for the answer, but didn't see it. On the face of the situation it seems unfair to me, too, if someone says the rules are flexible depending on who is talking, so I want to see the answer.

apparently there isnt one amber...you will note my original post of the question was deleted by me 1 minute after i posted it as i had a feeling my question based on my curiousity would be misconstrued...and its been 'lingering for two months' now as it never has been answered...curiousity killed the cat...too bad