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Hawkeye · #**166** 05-25-2005, 09:08 PM

OK if I quoted some of this stuff Id be here all night, so I'll just speak from memory:

LiquidBlue Im gonna try to be nice becuase doing the text messaging thing was SOO freaking nice of you in Vegas, BUT what youa re saying is quite frankly the best word I can think of is retarded. Really, to say that No One cares about the pre 75 Fleetwood Mac band is ridiculous. You like to use facts here are some:.

- I hear Hypnotised and Oh Well on the radio more then almost any other FM song.

- Peter Green makes more top 100 guitarists lists then Lindsey

- Mystery to Me, Bare Trees and Future Games all went either gold or platnum, they were quite popular, not to mention they had 2 NUMBER ONE singles in England in the late 60's.

- And Most Importantly FORGET ALL ABOUT SALES, they dont matter! I believe NSYNC broke some kind of sales RECORD for one of their albums, are you gonna try and pass them off as the greatest band ever because of that. Sales mean ****. And if you have to bring up sales Fleetwood Mac without BuckinghamNicks did much better then BuckinghamNicks without Fleetwood Mac.

SteveMacD · #**167** 05-25-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

I'm really not sure about those numbers. Do you remember where you read that mystery to me went platinum? I've checked and can't find anything, not to mention Mick specifically saying in his book that they were a band that the record company to count on to sell 300,000 units, nothing more, nothing less before SN and LB joined. I know his book is not factually accurate but I would take his word over someone who wasn't in the band and hasn't produced the data yet.

You know, I read so much that I don't always remember where I've read something. I do remember in the cases of "Bare Trees" and "Mystery To Me" that both experienced a sales boom after 1977, due to the success of Fleetwood Mac and a solo Bob Welch.

dissention · #**168** 05-25-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Ok, you are going WAY too far with this... Stevie was never a joke... maybe in your mind and in David Spade's mind she was, but not by the general public..

Well, that's just not true. She had become a joke by the early-nineties, and it was only exacerbated by her appearance at the inauguration. Thankfully she got over that hump, but a joke she was.

ontheEdgeof17 · #**169** 05-25-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Well, that's just not true. She had become a joke by the early-nineties, and it was only exacerbated by her appearance at the inauguration. Thankfully she got over that hump, but a joke she was.

She's still a joke in some circles. I was talking to a fella out west and he asked me about who my favorite singer was. I said Stevie. He made a fat joke and then said "The goat from South Park, right? Baaaaaaa"

SteveMacD · #**170** 05-25-2005, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

She's still a joke in some circles. I was talking to a fella out west and he asked me about who my favorite singer was. I said Stevie. He made a fat joke and then said "The goat from South Park, right? Baaaaaaa"

Bob & Tom had a bit about the Stevie Nicks alarm clock. Tim Wilson had a joke about Uncle BS, who was telling a story about the Salem witch trials where he says "burn the bitch dressed like Stevie Nicks." Hell, I read a SYW concert review that was linked from here where somebody said they wondered what happened to Christine, but it became apparent that Stevie had eaten her. And, these are just off the top of my head. So, there are people who still consider her a joke. BTW, I don't happen to be one of them.

Regina · #**171** 05-25-2005, 09:50 PM

must any discussion bring out all the crap that comes out in every FM argument?

Now, we're bringing up Stevie's weight and appearance again. What the living hell does that have to do with some of us not wanting to believe the rumors that this particular "lineup" of Fleetwood Mac might be over?

I love the Buckingham Nicks era of Fleetwood Mac. I don't want to think that I will never see them perform live again. It makes me sad. That doesn't take away from the Peter Green era, the Christine McVie era, the Bob Welch era, the Danny Kirwan era or the Time era (and any others I may have missed;-) They were all very different groups, IMO, and all deserve respect as part of the HISTORY of this group we know as Fleetwood Mac. The fact of the matter is--in all their versions--they were able to capture fans that are not only life-long fans but RABID life-long fans. Ready to fight to the death, apparently, to prove theirs was somehow the BEST. Well, the best is subjective. The BuckinghamNicks version touched my soul. That's all I know. That's all I care about. If a different era is your thing--you have your own personal reasons and that's of equal importance to you.

But, folks, a little respect here, please--in the argument process. Jackasses will always tell jokes. It's not funny that a woman known for her beauty was once torn down to the point she didn't want to perform anymore. It borders on tragic.

It's equally un-funny to keep bringing it up as a point to score in an argument.

thepoetinmyhear · #**172** 05-25-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

OK if I quoted some of this stuff Id be here all night, so I'll just speak from memory:

LiquidBlue Im gonna try to be nice becuase doing the text messaging thing was SOO freaking nice of you in Vegas, BUT what youa re saying is quite frankly the best word I can think of is retarded. Really, to say that No One cares about the pre 75 Fleetwood Mac band is ridiculous. You like to use facts here are some:.

- I hear Hypnotised and Oh Well on the radio more then almost any other FM song.

- Peter Green makes more top 100 guitarists lists then Lindsey

- Mystery to Me, Bare Trees and Future Games all went either gold or platnum, they were quite popular, not to mention they had 2 NUMBER ONE singles in England in the late 60's.

- And Most Importantly FORGET ALL ABOUT SALES, they dont matter! I believe NSYNC broke some kind of sales RECORD for one of their albums, are you gonna try and pass them off as the greatest band ever because of that. Sales mean ****. And if you have to bring up sales Fleetwood Mac without BuckinghamNicks did much better then BuckinghamNicks without Fleetwood Mac.

You missed a sign a few exits back because you're in the wrong thread. This whole thing is about SALES. That is what we are discussing, is a fleetwood mac sans Stevie and Lindsey commercially viable. So, hop on the boat or turn around.

I also have mentioned many times, that the focus is on the US, not anywhere else, just the US so any mention of UK number ones are irrelevant.

The fact that you hear Oh Well and Hypnotized is great, but I don't believe I have heard any non-rumours line-up songs on the radio ever (closest I've come is hearing Welch's solo version of Sentimental Lady). Personal experience can't ever be argued as general fact.

Also to call Liquid retarded because YOU MISREAD HIS POST is a faux pas. This thread has clearly acknowledged that there are people who are aware but they are a small, small fraction of the amount that are familiar with a SN/LB FM.

As for Peter Green making more lists than Lindsey, he's a better guitarist and I would hope that critics (people who are paid to know music) are familiar with the pre SN/LB FM. This thread, however, again, is about the general music buying populace.

So in essence, your arguments make zero sense in the context of this thread. Please try again.

catinthedark · #**173** 05-25-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

I still dont get how you say she is referring to EFO when she mentions "Monica" in the Destiny Rules Doc...
Yes she says "It's totally about me now...and that I lost tomorrow to Monica"

Which IMO implies she lost a scheduled meeting she had with this mysterious "Monica" who I think is an attorney--since Karen is talking about Stevie's attorneys and all that

Chris

I agree, Chris. I do think she may say Monica (I didn't before the captioning proved me otherwise), but I don't think just because she says it in one scene, and thenthey cut to her singing EFO in the next scene, that the two are related. I mean, not every cut in that doc related to the cut before.

JMO.

On edit: I also didn't realize she said "Mix Monica." Is it MIX or MISS? Not to open another can of worms... I still don't think EFO is Monica. Nyah!

Johnny Stew · #**174** 05-25-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That's why David Spade said that if she got any fatter they would make her an honorary member of Heart

He also said he went to see Fleetwood Mac at that time (the Bekka/Billy/Dave era), and the show "sucked" because the band was made up of "a couple of guys who looked like Los Lobos, and some contest winner."

ontheEdgeof17 · #**175** 05-25-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

He also said he went to see Fleetwood Mac at that time (the Bekka/Billy/Dave era), and the show "sucked" because the band was made up of "a couple of guys who looked like Los Lobos, and some contest winner."

I love all incarnations of the band, but I still can't help from laughing at the jokes.

dudden22 · #**176** 05-25-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That's why David Spade said that if she got any fatter they would make her an honorary member of Heart

Ok you are now quoting a midget has-been doing credit card commercials.

dissention · #**177** 05-25-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

He also said he went to see Fleetwood Mac at that time (the Bekka/Billy/Dave era), and the show "sucked" because the band was made up of "a couple of guys who looked like Los Lobos, and some contest winner."

I love it.

catinthedark · #**178** 05-25-2005, 10:03 PM

Gah. Just read through this whole thread.

And now I'm picking up the pieces of my brain and going home.

Johnny Stew · #**179** 05-25-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

How nice for you and these other 49,999 people that you speak for... We can ask the other over 500,000 who bought Street Angel what they think...

I should read the rest of the thread before I reply, in case someone else already clarified... but I'm trying to get caught up. My apologies if i'm repeating anyone.

'Street Angel's' actual sales figures are around 226,000.
It did sell over four times as many copies as 'Time' (which sold 50,000) though, but 'SA' hasn't sold a literal 500,000 copies yet.
The Gold certification is indeed for units shipped, not sold.

Sugar · #**180** 05-25-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

You missed a sign a few exits back because you're in the wrong thread. This whole thing is about SALES. That is what we are discussing, is a fleetwood mac sans Stevie and Lindsey commercially viable.

Commercially viable? Of course the other incarnations were commercially viable. Now that that's settled...

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Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

I also have mentioned many times, that the focus is on the US, not anywhere else, just the US so any mention of UK number ones are irrelevant..

Why is the UK irrelevant? You do know that there are quite a few UK fans on this board, as well as from elsewhere in the world right? Who are you to deem them irrelevent? Except of course, that it better serves your argument...