Securing our borders

[strandinthewind]

I know and then I see reports of waste withing charities. Some of them have overhead of greater than 30% and some of that overhead is luxury items like first class plane tickets and suites. Oh if the world would just listen to us

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know and then I see reports of waste withing charities. Some of them have overhead of greater than 30% and some of that overhead is luxury items like first class plane tickets and suites. Oh if the world would just listen to us

Retire to Australia, hey another thirty years and I'll be Prime Minister/President don't forget! Remember the name, you'll see me stirring the pot soon

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by tynan88

Retire to Australia, hey another thirty years and I'll be Prime Minister/President don't forget! Remember the name, you'll see me stirring the pot soon

I expect an invite to the coronation - as she is my online wife, Lux will be my date - so don't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes that day or you are answering to her

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I expect an invite to the coronation - as she is my online wife, Lux will be my date - so don't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes that day or you are answering to her

Oh I would be scared LOL She'd kick my ass You will all get an invitation, we can have a world leader who has both good taste in music (a love of Fleetwood Mac) and intergrity

[David]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

America is wealthy because of hard WORK. And we HAVE shared.

Again, more pronoun trouble. "We"?

I, an American, gave some money to Red Cross several months ago for the tsunami relief, but my friend Jan, an American, did not. Multiply that 270 million times & you wind up with: Some people share & some people don't.

To extrapolate from that complex mess of "some do, some don't" that "we have shared" is to have trouble with pronouns, which may seem like a small deal, but how can anything be seen clearly if you don't do stuff like get your pronouns straight or define your terms?

Last year, I remember opening a piece of junk mail that said "It takes an entire community to raise just one child," & I wondered & wondered just what the heck that actually meant.

After a few hours of thinking about it, mulling over it, pondering it, weighing it, considering it in the light of everything I know to be specifically logical, I couldn't figure it out. Every child on earth -- except those who came out of a test tube -- has (or had) two -- exactly two -- parents.

[amber]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Partly: Some are born poor due to lack of resources or poor location.
but NO nation is born rich. America is wealthy because of hard WORK. And .

Um, this is a bit naive, I think. America is wealthy mainly because of natural resources, our own abundant ones (much of which are gone, especially lumber) and much from stripping other countries of their natural resources. Every country has hard workers. For instance, people in Africa have to walk miles just to get a few bucketfuls of water. Poorer countries do not work less hard, in fact, they usually have to work much harder just to get basic necessities. And often they don't even have those. And it is largely a matter of having no resources....Honestly, when you say America is wealthy because of Hard work, it kind of makes me laugh...

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Um, this is a bit naive, I think. America is wealthy mainly because of natural resources, our own abundant ones (much of which are gone, especially lumber) and much from stripping other countries of their natural resources. Every country has hard workers. For instance, people in Africa have to walk miles just to get a few bucketfuls of water. Poorer countries do not work less hard, in fact, they usually have to work much harder just to get basic necessities. And often they don't even have those. And it is largely a matter of having no resources....Honestly, when you say America is wealthy because of Hard work, it kind of makes me laugh...

I agree completely.

When someone says America is wealthy because of hard work, how do you justify other nations being poor? Do they just sit around on their keisters eating pork rinds and watching soaps? I think not. I dare someone to say that America is wealthy because the people who live in it work hard to a man in South Africa who works eighteen hours a day to put food in his kids' mouths and still can't make enough to provide for them. Gimme a bloody break, you can't get more naive than that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

I agree completely.

When someone says America is wealthy because of hard work, how do you justify other nations being poor? Do they just sit around on their keisters eating pork rinds and watching soaps? I think not. I dare someone to say that America is wealthy because the people who live in it work hard to a man in South Africa who works eighteen hours a day to put food in his kids' mouths and still can't make enough to provide for them. Gimme a bloody break, you can't get more naive than that.

I guess all those people who died staking out the west, all those people who suffered while building the cities, all those people who to this day work and sweat mean nothing - it is all sweet creme and roses for everyone over here now

But seriously, once again, you are generalizing on an area of people. I mean look at Bill Gates. He worked his fingers to the bone building that company. I may not agree with all the tactics he used, but he burnt the midnight oil doing it. Same for Oprah, Whoppie Goldberg, and many others who, unlike Gates, came from nothing and in fact experienced tradedy. So, I think many rich (and I mean $10 million or more) do work very hard for it. Do they swing an ax - probably not. But, hard work is hard work

[amber]

I didn't say Americans didn't work hard.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I guess all those people who died staking out the west, all those people who suffered while building the cities, all those people who to this day work and sweat mean nothing - it is all sweet creme and roses for everyone over here now

No one ever said American's never worked hard, I just don't get Mary's logic that we're a rich country simply because of hard work. I don't buy it and I think Amber put it perfectly.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But seriously, once again, you are generalizing on an area of people. I mean look at Bill Gates. He worked his fingers to the bone building that company. I may not agree with all the tactics he used, but he burnt the midnight oil doing it. Same for Oprah, Whoppie Goldberg, and many others who, unlike Gates, came from nothing and in fact experienced tradedy. So, I think many rich (and I mean $10 million or more) do work very hard for it. Do they swing an ax - probably not. But, hard work is hard work

Blah blah blah. Hard work is hard work, but let's not generalize this country by saying that we're rich simply because of hard work. If all it took was hard work to be rich, we wouldn't have so many problems in this world.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

No one ever said American's never worked hard, I just don't get Mary's logic that we're a rich country simply because of hard work. I don't buy it and I think Amber put it perfectly.



Blah blah blah. Hard work is hard work, but let's not generalize this country by saying that we're rich simply because of hard work. If all it took was hard work to be rich, we wouldn't have so many problems in this world.

You can do all the hard work in the world, but if all you have at your disposal is a sheep, some roots you can dig, and a little bit of water that you have to follow around because it dries up some seasons, you're not gonna build an empire...

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

You can do all the hard work in the world, but if all you have at your disposal is a sheep, some roots you can dig, and a little bit of water that you have to follow around because it dries up some seasons, you're not gonna build an empire...

Respectfully, America did and so did Australia

But, I get you all's points and agree mostly. Interestingly, in Utopia, everyone would be caring. I think the world, sadly, does not work that way. I mean look at Communism, on paper it is a great romantic notion. However, once humans get involved, it is just another way to suppress the poor - at least as we have seen it applied in the last 50 years. I mean no one other than Stalin (or was it Lenin) actually lived like one of the unwashed masses In the end, I say give what you can, vote for positive change, and pray for the best.

[The Tower]

Jason, I just love your typos.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Whoppie Goldberg

So many images come to my mind when I pronounce her name like that...

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Respectfully, America did and so did Australia

But, I get you all's points and agree mostly. Interestingly, in Utopia, everyone would be caring. I think the world, sadly, does not work that way. I mean look at Communism, on paper it is a great romantic notion. However, once humans get involved, it is just another way to suppress the poor - at least as we have seen it applied in the last 50 years. I mean no one other than Stalin (or was it Lenin) actually lived like one of the unwashed masses In the end, I say give what you can, vote for positive change, and pray for the best.

You know what sickens me lately?

That these celebs spend like thousands of dollars on a purse or on shoes....

Who needs $9,000 shoes? I mean really....why not use that money for something worthwhile? Feek a homeless kids, donate some clothes to a woman's shelter I don't know...it bugs me sometimes...

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

You know what sickens me lately?

That these celebs spend like thousands of dollars on a purse or on shoes....

Who needs $9,000 shoes? I mean really....why not use that money for something worthwhile? Feek a homeless kids, donate some clothes to a woman's shelter I don't know...it bugs me sometimes...

I know - but I do not want anyone telling me not to spend money on whatever I want - so as hard as it is, I will not tell them. I mean what we consider okay for us would be a horrifying amount of money to someone living in a box Just look at the $150 or more people spent on seeing FM, which though I regard highly, is not a necessity

Also - almost all celebs have some kind of charity that donates to causes. So, a yang exists for the yin