Stevie really needs to rethink not participating in the new Fleetwood Mac album

[Jondalar]

All it's going to prove is that creatively they don't need her and turn a lot of fans against her.

A. Behind the Mask proved that the band needed Lindsey.
B. Say You Will was definitely missing Christine but it was better than Behind the Mask.
C. The new album will be even better and it will be without Stevie and that will make it obvious that she is the weak link in Fleetwood Mac. Frankly, Christine McVie songs are the best examples of the Fleetwood Mac sound, not Stevie. Lindsey and Christine can still create magic. Maybe she knows she can't compete with what Lindsey and Christine did artistically.

Further proof - Tango in the Night. It's Fleetwood Mac's 2nd biggest selling album around the world. It sold 11 million copies. and only 3 million were inside the states. The weakest charting single, Seven Wonders, coming from Nicks. What did she really offer on that album - a great vocal on Seven Wonders, and a nice vocal on Little Lies. That's it. She didn't really participate in the album they had been working on for years.

As far as sales go and the tour, she won't make a difference if the music is good, which it will be. It will not sale a lot anyway. Tom Petty just had a number one album and it's still not Gold. Pathetic. They don't need the money, so small venues aren't going to matter that much to anyone but Mick, who is a money-grubbing whore. The album is for artistic purposes.

I want Stevie to make 24K Gold part 2, but I think if she were smart, she better participate in a big way with the new album. Not participating will only hurt her legacy. We all know that Lindsey and Christine have already created a masterpiece and Stevie is just going to make herself look bad. Even though it only may hurt the album, Stevie needs to be part of a masterpiece.

[shackin'up]

If it hurts the album, which it will, because she's not in it with her soul, I would seriously say to her: back off, we are making something beautiful here. Don't come ruin it.

[jkmaletic]

At 68 years old, her legacy will be fine. She needs to do what she wants at this point. Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left. Disappointed at best. Did it ruin their legacy? No.

Jamie

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

At 68 years old, her legacy will be fine. She needs to do what she wants at this point. Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left. Disappointed at best. Did it ruin their legacy? No.

Jamie

It's funny, Jamie, you throw little daggers out there. Then, you act bent when people respond. smh

[Nick]

I wouldn't call fans fickle just because they want the classic lineup or nothing at all. I'd rather they all do solo albums if the 5 of them can't do this likely final album.

[olive]

Originally Posted by Nick

I wouldn't call fans fickle just because they want the classic lineup or nothing at all. I'd rather they all do solo albums if the 5 of them can't do this likely final album.

they should and release them all on the same day

[olive]

Originally Posted by Nick

I wouldn't call fans fickle just because they want the classic lineup or nothing at all. I'd rather they all do solo albums if the 5 of them can't do this likely final album.

they should and release them all on the same day it's been done before

[jkmaletic]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's funny, Jamie, you throw little daggers out there. Then, you act bent when people respond. smh

Huh?
Can you please tell me where the daggers are in what I just wrote?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

Huh?
Can you please tell me where the daggers are in what I just wrote?

. "Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left"

[JohnL]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's funny, Jamie, you throw little daggers out there. Then, you act bent when people respond. smh

I find it interesting that you point out what he said but statements like...it will make it obvious that she is the weak link in Fleetwood Mac. She will come in and ruin the album. We all know who the Queen of Fleetwood Mac is...seem to be just fine.

I personally believe that they will wait for her...out of total respect for her and out of recognition that this is what Fleetwood Mac has done in relation to her solo career for a few decades now. They may not get along well but I think they pretty much respect each other fully.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by JohnL

I find it interesting that you point out what he said but statements like...it will make it obvious that she is the weak link in Fleetwood Mac. She will come in and ruin the album. We all know who the Queen of Fleetwood Mac is...seem to be just fine.

For the record, I don't think calling people fickle fans is a dagger or anything. I do think that calling people here "trifling bitches" as Sorcerer999 did is a problem and no more of that is going to be allowed.

But what I wanted to point out about your quote is the difference between what is said about a member of FM and what is said about other posters. So, what if someone calls Stevie a weak link? That's not being disrespectful to anyone here.

As far as we know, FM is not on this forum. You may get insulted if a member of Fleetwood Mac is criticized, but Fleetwood Mac is not you. The fact that someone attacked a member of Fleetwood Mac is not a reason to insult the person who did. You don't have to show respect for the people in FM. You have to show respect for the people who are posting here.

Now, when you have individual forums, for Stevie, Lindsey or Chris, I try to stop trolling in those forums. I think if you go into an individual band member's forum and intensely badmouth that individual member, you're probably trying to bait his/her fans rather than state an opinion. So, we police that kind of trolling more.

But in the Rumours forum, opinions about different band members are going to clash often. If you don't like having your favorite member trashed, don't come here. Lots of people have stopped coming and that's a great thing. Go to your favorite Facebook page where band members are loved and praised. When you're here, don't think that someone has to be nice to a band member out of respect to you. People should be nice to YOU out of respect to you. That's what required.

Michele

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by JohnL

I personally believe that they will wait for her...out of total respect for her and out of recognition that this is what Fleetwood Mac has done in relation to her solo career for a few decades now. They may not get along well but I think they pretty much respect each other fully.

I think they have waited...and waited...and waited...
and now I think they are starting to lose all respect for her. Patience is wearing thin, to snapping point.

[elle]

Originally Posted by JohnL

I personally believe that they will wait for her...out of total respect for her and out of recognition that this is what Fleetwood Mac has done in relation to her solo career for a few decades now. They may not get along well but I think they pretty much respect each other fully.

you are building a very nice argument for why they should not wait for her - after decades of putting up with it now they are getting to be so old that the time is to break off this bad habit of letting her putting FM on back burner to the point of scarcely having any albums out. if they want their legacy to be artistic in their last years and not just a touring oldie cash machine, it's time to actually do something artistic.

that said, you are probably right and they will wait for her... out of procrastination or misplaced greed probably.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

All it's going to prove is that creatively they don't need her and turn a lot of fans against her.

A. Behind the Mask proved that the band needed Lindsey.
B. Say You Will was definitely missing Christine but it was better than Behind the Mask.
C. The new album will be even better and it will be without Stevie and that will make it obvious that she is the weak link in Fleetwood Mac. Frankly, Christine McVie songs are the best examples of the Fleetwood Mac sound, not Stevie. Lindsey and Christine can still create magic. Maybe she knows she can't compete with what Lindsey and Christine did artistically.

Further proof - Tango in the Night. It's Fleetwood Mac's 2nd biggest selling album around the world. It sold 11 million copies. and only 3 million were inside the states. The weakest charting single, Seven Wonders, coming from Nicks. What did she really offer on that album - a great vocal on Seven Wonders, and a nice vocal on Little Lies. That's it. She didn't really participate in the album they had been working on for years.

As far as sales go and the tour, she won't make a difference if the music is good, which it will be. It will not sale a lot anyway. Tom Petty just had a number one album and it's still not Gold. Pathetic. They don't need the money, so small venues aren't going to matter that much to anyone but Mick, who is a money-grubbing whore. The album is for artistic purposes.

I want Stevie to make 24K Gold part 2, but I think if she were smart, she better participate in a big way with the new album. Not participating will only hurt her legacy. We all know that Lindsey and Christine have already created a masterpiece and Stevie is just going to make herself look bad. Even though it only may hurt the album, Stevie needs to be part of a masterpiece.

thank you - you so eloquently make great points for why they need to release this album without her!

Originally Posted by shackin'up

If it hurts the album, which it will, because she's not in it with her soul, I would seriously say to her: back off, we are making something beautiful here. Don't come ruin it.

exactly.

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

At 68 years old, her legacy will be fine. She needs to do what she wants at this point. Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left. Disappointed at best. Did it ruin their legacy? No.

Jamie

thank you for the voice of reason! that whole other thread about how FM album without Stevie would be just LB solo is a great example of fickle fans trying to muddy the clear points Jondalar expressed here!

basically -

• if FM cares about their artistic legacy, they'll release 4/5 album and tour it.
• if they care more about Stevie's individual legacy than collective FM legacy, they'll wait for her, cobble on a few of her songs like they did for Tango, and run in the ground points from SYW and EP that FM is not anymore a whole but just sum of individual parts. their overall artistic legacy will be cemented with yet another non-cohesive stitched together album.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

At 68 years old, her legacy will be fine. She needs to do what she wants at this point. Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left. Disappointed at best. Did it ruin their legacy? No.

Jamie

I agree.You got a point there Jamie.Its her life.I'm not going to dictate in what she should do at this stage of her life.Again I could care less if she records with FM or not.I'm not going to bash the crap out of her if she doesn't .At this point .This album topic is sounding like a broken record."Pun Intended". The same goes with the rest of the Mac.Let them do what they want.The one thing that I'm upset with the Mac including Stevie is give up the GREED factor and charge normal or below tix prices or for free .Thats the only thing that will make me stop seeing them.My friend went to see Foreigner play for free at the local fair last Saturday.