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irishgrl · #**151** 10-05-2005, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I brought that up when Ronny croaked and was accused of being a heartless bastard with no class.

I brought it up too, and since I LIVE here, and I know first hand what he did (he was terrible as GOV) I supported you my friend. re-read the thread and you'll see!

strandinthewind · #**152** 10-05-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

its more accurate to go to a county accounting site, because it is the counties that administer the funds for GA. Cash Aid, (the program that helps parents with children) is different from General Assistance. The monies come out of two different pots.

True - but I was focusing on the total amount of Federal Aid as we were talking about that. But, I will look later for how counties disburse that and other aid.

dissention · #**153** 10-05-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

I brought it up too, and since I LIVE here, and I know first hand what he did (he was terrible as GOV) I supported you my friend. re-read the thread and you'll see!

You did. If I remember correctly, it was you, Chris, and I who went on the Reagan tear.

amber · #**154** 10-05-2005, 09:44 PM

Found this handy pie chart:

http://www.perezhilton.com/topics/li...e_20051004.php

strandinthewind · #**155** 10-05-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

And I got lectured because of it. Pfffffft.

Do you want me to bite your a$$ - cuz I will ya know

irishgrl · #**156** 10-05-2005, 09:46 PM

you girlz are just too wild for staid ol me!

amber · #**157** 10-05-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

They do, but look at all the beauriful things in the world people have had the money to commission. Look at the works of art. Look at the beautiful houses built. Look at the skyscrapers. All that took money to express individuality

Well that was condecending

Of course I can think outside of the box. But, I, like you, cannot think of any solution that is better than fixing the system we have now. If you can - let's hear it.

Okay, Ayn, sorry, I didn't mean to be condescending, it just appeared you couldn't think outside the current paradigm with the arguments you were presenting.

Just going by what you say.

One solution...lets start with less defense spending, mmkay? that would be huge, it would free up an immense amount of money.

strandinthewind · #**158** 10-05-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you got slammed because you said poverty was worse under Clinton than Bush and tried to justify it by saying he threw more $$$$ at it. you LATER said that the high poverty numbers under Clinton werent his fault which I could actually agree with. and thats how we left it. dont make me spank you!!

No, my initial statements were that though W's numbers have risen every year he has been in office (which I consistently said was a bad thing) - they are still comparatively low (though 0% is the goal) and he is throwing an historic amount of money (more than Clinton) at it in an attempt to stop that growth.

You misunderstood that for me saying W is doing better than Clinton, which I never said.

In the end, let's not get into that again

strandinthewind · #**159** 10-05-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Okay, Ayn, sorry, I didn't mean to be condescending, it just appeared you couldn't think outside the current paradigm with the arguments you were presenting.

Just going by what you say.

Then you did not read my repeated statements requesting you present a solution instead of your bitchin' - which suggests I was and am open to any new ideas

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Originally Posted by amber

One solution...lets start with less defense spending, mmkay? that would be huge, it would free up an immense amount of money.

I am all for it and never said anything to the contrary

In fact, I repeatedly said here and elsewhere that I think less wasteful govt. spending is a great thing.

gldstwmn · #**160** 10-05-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

There is a lot to be said for having a surplus of money.

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Well, it was the 90's. Everybody had surplus money.

amber · #**161** 10-05-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Then you did not read my repeated statements requesting you present a solution instead of your bitchin' - which suggests I was and am open to any new ideas

I am all for it and never said anything to the contrary

In fact, I repeatedly said here and elsewhere that I think less wasteful govt. spending is a great thing.

I believe I expressly said that I "did not have all the answers", but that one answer would be to "cut defense spending"
That's all I said. I didn't claim to have the giant solution, in fact I think I specifically disclaimed to have it, biotch.

I need more than 3 minutes to gather all my lifelong notes of what the real answer is. Sheesh.

Do you want my analytical treatise on Capitalism first, to lay the foundation, or do you want a simpler, meatier analysis/answer???

For your second point:
mmkay, that sounds fine...

amber · #**162** 10-05-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Well, it was the 90's. Everybody had surplus money.

Just like in the 20's before the Crash.
Good god, economic history is so simple, yet, few of our presidents care about it or understand it, apparently.

strandinthewind · #**163** 10-05-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

I believe I expressly said that I "did not have all the answers", but that one answer would be to "cut defense spending"
That's all I said. I didn't claim to have the giant solution, in fact I think I disclaimed to have it, biotch.

I need more than 3 minutes to gather all my lifelong notes of what the real answer is. Sheesh.

Do you want my analytical treatise on Capitalism first, to lay the foundation, or do you want a simpler, meatier analysis/answer???

. . . .

Well, then stop telling me I cannot think outside the box, etc. when I cannot produce one

It just irks me when people bitch about things, tell people they cannot see the forest for the trees, and then offer no viable solution

gldstwmn · #**164** 10-05-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

There is a lot to be said for having a surplus of money.

I am puzzled by homelessness and have scant ideas about :

a) why it exists
b) what can be done about it, if anything
c) whose problem it really is.

I had an uncle who died homeless. Why? He was a drunk. He wanted to be a drunk. He refused help, he stole from everyone, he was a bad egg from the nursery on is how my Aunt described him. (But man was he a beautiful young man...I digress.) My brother was homeless for awhile. Why ? He is a junkie. He stole from everyone, burned every bridge available, quit rehab many times, and now lives in a trailer in the driveway of a friend's mother. She feels sorry for him. He currently uses his disability checks to buy booze and from what I hear, drugs when he can find them. That's the extent of my experience with homelessness.

What I would love to know is why certain other civilized countries - European in particular - don't have this problem. God knows our government is loathe to take direction from ANY OTHER COUNTRY who has solved the problems that plague us, however, just for my own information I would be curious to know why it is such a problem here and not in other places.

The homeless problem in this country started in earnest when then governor of California Ronald Reagan decided to close mental institions and continued that on a grand scale when he took the office of the presidency. Let's also not forget how our veterans have been treated from the Vietnam era onward.

DavidMn · #**165** 10-05-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The homeless problem in this country started in earnest when then governor of California Ronald Reagan decided to close mental institions and continued that on a grand scale when he took the office in the presidency. Let's also not forget how our veterans have been treated from the Vietnam era onward.

O I know what youre talking about there. thats terrible how some of our soldiers have been treated!!