Doesn't anyone like Empire State???

ricohv · #1 12-05-2004, 11:46 PM

I was just reading the thread about Mirage, and how most people find it bland, and no one seems to like Empire State (which is something I have read over and over for soooo long). I also read that everyone thinks Stevie and Chris steal that album. Chris is at her most mediocre to me, Stevie is inconsistent (That's Alright , well, it's ok, but it's not alright in context to the rest of the album, too country sounding IMO for that album). I love how Lindsey kind of did a slight 50's doo-wop sound to the album, and Empire State is one of my favorites by him. I love to crank it up! I think it's totally energetic, creatively produced and manages to make the best use of Lindsey's somewhat manic energy of just about any one of his songs! Won't anyone agree with me?!? I f*cking love it...LOUD!!!

greatdarkwing · #2 12-05-2004, 11:48 PM

I *LOVE* Empire State...I'm surprised more people cant get into it.

~Alex

strandinthewind · #3 12-05-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

I *LOVE* Empire State...I'm surprised more people cant get into it.

~Alex

I like it - I remember first hearing it and thinking "LB wrote a song about Manhattan"

I like his stuff, even the fluff, which this sort of is. I mean not everything has to be this complicated dissertation

greatdarkwing · #4 12-05-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I like it - I remember first hearing it and thinking "LB wrote a song about Manhattan"

I like his stuff, even the fluff, which this sort of is. I mean not everything has to be this complicated dissertation

Its a wierd sound, but looking at Mirage, all of it has a wierd, vintage feel to it.

~Alex

sodascouts · #5 12-05-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ricohv

I was just reading the thread about Mirage, and how most people find it bland, and no one seems to like Empire State (which is something I have read over and over for soooo long). I also read that everyone thinks Stevie and Chris steal that album. Chris is at her most mediocre to me, Stevie is inconsistent (That's Alright , well, it's ok, but it's not alright in context to the rest of the album, too country sounding IMO for that album). I love how Lindsey kind of did a slight 50's doo-wop sound to the album, and Empire State is one of my favorites by him. I love to crank it up! I think it's totally energetic, creatively produced and manages to make the best use of Lindsey's somewhat manic energy of just about any one of his songs! Won't anyone agree with me?!? I f*cking love it...LOUD!!!

To each his/her own. I find Empire State gimmicky and annoying. One of his worst - EVER! Nancy's scientific analysis: EMPIRE STATE BLOWS.

Now, Oh Diane, there's an underappreciated song. Pleasant melody, a fun unoffensive little ditty in the tradition of old-style pop - yet some people loathe it.

Gypsy is one of Stevie's - and FM's - best. It's brilliant. And Lindsey contributed so heavily to the final sound of that song it's almost a collaboration. I adore it.

Hold Me is another terrific song off that album.

The rest? Eh. I find Love In Store, That's Alright, Can't Go Back, and Straight Back pleasant enough. Book of Love and its "ha ha ha ha" background vocals are majorly annoying, and Eyes of the world - ugh, the monotonous repetition of "Eyes" ruins the song (live, it takes on a new spirit, though). Only Over You and Wish You Were Here - good music to put on if you're having a hard time getting to sleep. Otherwise not so hot.

So, Mirage is not my favorite, but it's not as terrible as Lindsey and some others make it out to be. But yes, his material is weaker on there.

And yes, Empire State IS that terrible. And then some. lol

strandinthewind · #6 12-05-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Its a wierd sound, but looking at Mirage, all of it has a wierd, vintage feel to it.

~Alex

I LOVE Mirage. I think it is brilliant

- perhaps even more so than Tusk

- which was stellar

I know this is not a popular opinion, but I do not care

greatdarkwing · #7 12-05-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts

And yes, Empire State IS that terrible. And then some. lol

I cant get mad at you...you're Republican

~Alex

greatdarkwing · #8 12-06-2004, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know this is not a popular opinion, but I do not care

Way to not care!

~Alex

sodascouts · #9 12-06-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

I cant get mad at you...you're Republican

~Alex

But I thought YOU were the only Republican on the Ledge.

greatdarkwing · #10 12-06-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts

But I thought YOU were the only Republican on the Ledge.

In some of those Chit chat threads it feels like it

~Alex

Johnny Stew · #11 12-06-2004, 12:08 AM

I like to teasingly mention the likes of "Empire State," "Oh Diane" and "Family Man," when the opinion is expressed that Lindsey can do no wrong in Fleetwood Mac... but the truth of the matter is that I really love all of those songs.

They're just so fun, how could I not?

sodascouts · #12 12-06-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I like to jokingly mention the likes of "Empire State," "Oh Diane" and "Family Man," when the opinion is expressed that Lindsey can do no wrong in Fleetwood Mac... but the truth of the matter is that I really love all of those songs.

They're just so fun, how could I not?

You love Empire State and FAMILY MAN and dislike SMAP?

Well, like I said before, to each his/her own.

HomerMcvie · #13 12-06-2004, 12:10 AM

I too, love Empire State!

The music is enough to overcome any lyrical deficit.

secondhandchain · #14 12-06-2004, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ricohv

I was just reading the thread about Mirage, and how most people find it bland, and no one seems to like Empire State (which is something I have read over and over for soooo long). I also read that everyone thinks Stevie and Chris steal that album. Chris is at her most mediocre to me, Stevie is inconsistent (That's Alright , well, it's ok, but it's not alright in context to the rest of the album, too country sounding IMO for that album). I love how Lindsey kind of did a slight 50's doo-wop sound to the album, and Empire State is one of my favorites by him. I love to crank it up! I think it's totally energetic, creatively produced and manages to make the best use of Lindsey's somewhat manic energy of just about any one of his songs! Won't anyone agree with me?!? I f*cking love it...LOUD!!!

I totally agree! It's got really cool sounds in it and great harmonies! But then again, alot of stuff people hate on Tusk...I Love! I also LOVE Mystified.....What do ya think of them apples?

ricohv · #15 12-06-2004, 12:16 AM

I think if Tusk was FM's answer to punk, then Mirage (or at least Empire State) is sort of Lindsey's answer to New Wave. FM is so much more than "Fleetwood Mac" and "Rumours". Those albums are great in the eyes of the world, but there are so many merits to Mirage and Tango. How many bands can last this long, adapt to the changing times musically (sound wise) but still maintain their core sound, and especially make the leap from 70's arena rock to 80's/pop/video age? The Eagles certainly did not. Did they ever even make a video (outside of their latest dribble "Hole in My Head" or "The World" or whatever that comeback crap was)? I don't think any of FMs contemporaries have been as versatile as FM. Also on the 2-thumbs-up-for-Mirage-kick, I would like to say that Love In Store is sooooo catchy and clasically Christine, that I think if radio and music at that time wouldn't have sort of been "over" FM (or maybe just if FM would've thrown down another great video for Love In Store) that it surely would've been a much bigger hit. It's hard to imagine that Gypsy and Love In Store (and Rhiannon too) were not top 10 songs....hard to beleive since Gypsy and Rhiannon are pretty much considered "classics".