The doc!!!

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
WHY can I not have wit like Carne?!

This thread rules.

That is all.

You have enthusiasm and cheerfulness. And that's pretty cool.

[David]

Originally posted by wildangel
After hearing her demos on the doc. and loving the demo versions of Smile at You and Running Through the Garden I would say that you ( that is I, YOU, ME, HE, SHE pick your person and tense ) could make a case that lindsey brought stevies songs down

Those two particularly are rather disheartening. Not sure what happened there -- why the dearth of musical ideas? Those two cuts are blandly retro.

[David]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
My feeling is that, if Stevie herself decides to change something, it's one thing... but if Lindsey tells her "this might sound better if...," then it might not be greeted with a lot of enthusiasm.

I agree. Personally, I think that all four of them in that documentary were mostly walking on eggshells around one another, John least of all. But none of them appeared to be speaking his mind completely & honestly for fear of offending another or pissing off another.

[Bella Figura]

Dave, I can agree with you on Running through the Garden, it's one of my favorite demos but I got bored with the final version rather quickly. But I think Smile at You came out great, not wow, just great. It retains it's angry passion in the music and updated lyrics. It also has one of the most up-to-date sounds which very few other songs on the record have... (carne, is that grammatically correct?? )

and with Lindsey's vocals the song morphs into perfection...

[ShangriLaTroubl]

RTTG is still my fav. Stevie song on Say You Will, I guess it's all about personal preference..

Chris

[David]

Originally posted by sodascouts
Lindsey, on the other hand, did not feel the need to write anything specifically for the Fleetwood Mac project, relying on material that was a few years old (in the case of "Say Goodbye", 15 years old). He also seems to have developed a fondness for covers - "Love Minus Zero/No Limit", "I Am Waiting", "Try for the Sun", to name a few. I do realize he probably did not intend to release the rest of his Stone covers; that would be ridiculous. Still, it's interesting he developed them so fully in "demo" form, and we know "I Am Waiting" at least was worked on for SYW.

At one point, around late 2001, he did plan on releasing several of those Stones covers, like "Gotta Get Away," as part of 'Gift of Screws.' A lot of those just weren't demos -- I know they're widely considered demos, but they were fully mixed studio tracks that were submitted in 2001 as his solo album.

I personally like most of Lindsey's covers, especially "A Satisfied Mind." Has Lindsey ever recorded anything so beautiful?

[David]

Originally posted by ShangriLaTroubl
RTTG is still my fav. Stevie song on Say You Will, I guess it's all about personal preference..

Yes, but I bet you're talking about the lyrics & maybe the melody, whereas I'm really talking about the track in toto. I think the approach taken by the band & the producers is mock-derivative & uninspiring. It sounds blandly mechanical in that late '80s way. In fact, it sounds like a tired Heart track -- something like "How Can I Refuse."

[David]

Originally posted by Bella Figura
Dave, I can agree with you on Running through the Garden, it's one of my favorite demos but I got bored with the final version rather quickly. But I think Smile at You came out great, not wow, just great. It retains it's angry passion in the music and updated lyrics. It also has one of the most up-to-date sounds which very few other songs on the record have... (carne, is that grammatically correct?? )

and with Lindsey's vocals the song morphs into perfection...

What I'm least happy with on that track is the echoey, phased ambience given to the recording of the vocals.

I have a theory that Lindsey, in many of these tracks on "Say You Will," deliberately exaggerated, through electronic means, Stevie's nasality.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Originally posted by David
Yes, but I bet you're talking about the lyrics & maybe the melody, whereas I'm really talking about the track in toto. I think the approach taken by the band & the producers is mock-derivative & uninspiring. It sounds blandly mechanical in that late '80s way. In fact, it sounds like a tired Heart track -- something like "How Can I Refuse."

I enjoy the whole thing. The way she sings it, the instrumental parts..everything.. I do agree it's kind of 80s ...but it's just in my opinion, one of stevie's better vocal performances in a long while...The music is fine, doesnt bother me, doesnt inspire me...I'm just really into the lyrics yes, and the way she sings them

Chris

[chiliD]

Originally posted by David
In fact, it sounds like a tired Heart track -- something like "How Can I Refuse."

HEY! That's one of my favorite Heart songs...BITE YOUR TONGUE!


Granted, it IS the only decent tune on Passion Works, though.

[stefan]

Originally posted by David
What I'm least happy with on that track is the echoey, phased ambience given to the recording of the vocals.

That's the thing I like the most on this track. I also like the choral like voice on Smile at you. I dislike the 80`s guitar on RTTG.

[chiliD]

Originally posted by stefan
I dislike the 80`s guitar on RTTG.

Actually, to me it sounds more '60's...


...although, it sounds almost identical to his guitar solo on "This Is The Time" from Out Of The Cradle. Another example of Lindsey recycling ideas, no matter whether they're appropos or not.

[skcin]

What's this thread about again?

Paula

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by David
At one point, around late 2001, he did plan on releasing several of those Stones covers, like "Gotta Get Away," as part of 'Gift of Screws.' A lot of those just weren't demos -- I know they're widely considered demos, but they were fully mixed studio tracks that were submitted in 2001 as his solo album.

I personally like most of Lindsey's covers, especially "A Satisfied Mind." Has Lindsey ever recorded anything so beautiful?

Hmm. That seems odd to me. Wonder why he'd want to include so many covers of the same group on a solo album? Yes, I love Lindsey's past covers, and I can see even doing one Stones cover and one Donovan cover or something to that effect - but anything more than one Stones cover on a solo album is a really bad idea, IMO. We wanna hear Lindsey, not Lindsey do the Stones. Frankly, that's just common sense. Unless LB is interested in doing some kind of tribute album!

[The Tower]

Originally posted by ShangriLaTroubl
...but it's just in my opinion, one of stevie's better vocal performances in a long while...The music is fine, doesnt bother me, doesnt inspire me...I'm just really into the lyrics yes, and the way she sings them

I absolutely agree. The production ain't so hot, but her vocal is unbelievable! I heard the live performance of this from Columbus and I'm glad they dropped it, cuz it didn't do the recording justice.

Originally posted by wildangel
As a longtime lurker I am used to carne's usual lindsey blowjobbing but this is a just ridiculous.

While I always enjoy Carne's posts, I just the love the term "blowjobbing". HILARIOUS!!

Originally posted by CarneVaca
"I thought Stevie would drag down the quality of the record," meaning the whole CD. I see how the statement was somewhat ambiguous, but I wasn't referring to Stevie ruining Lindsey's songs. I don't think that's what happened, though I admit Peacekeeper was a lot better before it was re-recorded with her vocals.

I, too, thought you implied that Stevie would drag down Lindsey's stuff. I personally think that Stevie improves Lindsey's stuff (and the overall quality as per your original intent). Lindsey can get so self-absorbed sometimes that I think he loses perspective- not that often, but occasionally. Stevie is that nice, soothing balme to Lindsey's hives...