Lindsey interview;Stevie and Azoff finally speak

bombaysaffires · #1 09-09-2021, 12:30 AM

Her saying she didn't fire him, she fired herself, and if they wanted to go on without her so be it totally confirms the "it's me or him" story. Hilarious that she thinks she's denying it but is totally validating it.

HomerMcvie · #2 09-09-2021, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Her saying she didn't fire him, she fired herself, and if they wanted to go on without her so be it totally confirms the "it's me or him" story. Hilarious that she thinks she's denying it but is totally validating it.

It is hilarious that she thinks she can put her little spin on the truth, and that we'll all "just see it her way".

michelej1 · #3 09-09-2021, 12:45 AM

Never for a moment do I think that Lindsey did not contribute to the problems with Stevie, but I think no one had the right to kick him out, given his place in the band. Either they just keep fighting or they stop touring. No middle ground. If Mick Jagger is finally tired of Keith Richards, then the Rolling Stones should be over. At this point, Mick doesn't get to kick Keith out.

bombaysaffires · #4 09-09-2021, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Never for a moment do I think that Lindsey did not contribute to the problems with Stevie, but I think no one had the right to kick him out, given his place in the band. Either they just keep fighting or they stop touring. No middle ground. If Mick Jagger is finally tired of Keith Richards, then the Rolling Stones should be over. At this point, Mick doesn't get to kick Keith out.

yeah, her comment thru her publicist about the band having a tradition of people coming and going....Sure, leaving by their own volition. How many of them were fired?? Bob Weston, and for what? Sleeping with Mick's wife. Not sure a smirk is equivalent. (Was Dave Mason fired...??)

HomerMcvie · #5 09-09-2021, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

yeah, her comment thru her publicist about the band having a tradition of people coming and going....Sure, leaving by their own volition. How many of them were fired?? Bob Weston, and for what? Sleeping with Mick's wife. Not sure a smirk is equivalent. (Was Dave Mason fired...??)

Danny Kirwan was fired. Although he deserved it.

I think the Time band(unfortunately) just never got legs. Mick saw a chance to make The Dance happen, and just ended that version of the band. Just like Tom Petty's Crowded House, the Time band was just a substitute filler band(saying that hurts me, because Bekka is the greatest singer FM ever had).

anusha · #6 09-09-2021, 01:17 AM

It’s grim. It seems clear to me that the author of the article kind of thinks Lindsey is a douche. She makes it clear that he says all kinds of unkind stuff and then wonders how he is at the center of so much conflict. And yet he comes off way better than just about anyone else in the article. What a cesspool this band is.

DownOnRodeo · #7 09-09-2021, 02:04 AM

"Frankly, my dears, I fired myself!"

Great to have the three main actors of the firing fiasco (Nicks, Azoff and Lindsey) finally speak their truths at each other in public, even if it took three years.

My favorite quote is from Lindsey:

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“I think she saw the possibility of remaking the band more in the Stevie Nicks vein. More mellow and kind of down, giving her more chances to do the kind of talking she does onstage.”

I see that Joni Mitchell will be the 2022 MusiCares person of the year. Mind you don't fire yourself, Joni!

Macfan4life · #8 09-09-2021, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Her saying she didn't fire him, she fired herself, and if they wanted to go on without her so be it totally confirms the "it's me or him" story. Hilarious that she thinks she's denying it but is totally validating it.

Exactly. You don't have to be trained in statement analysis to see what she is saying is the same thing......its me or him.

What a horrible person Irving is for breaking his oath of not speaking about artists to belittle Lindsey for his protection of Stevie. Good grief.

Love that he is honest in hinting his disappointment in Christine for not sticking up for him and Mick really not wanting to see him go.

It really is $tevie Mac. Money over legacy.

UnwindedDreams · #9 09-09-2021, 06:46 AM

Thank you so much for sharing this.

It's amazing that Irving says Stevie's account is accurate but Stevie has not shared what the account is. All Stevie says is that she did not have him fired.

What is Lindsey revising? And how did she fire herself? Does that mean the current band is not Fleetwood Mac?

Irving's not a tough guy. If he were, he'd spill everything. He's on Stevie's leash.

Irving and Stevie must think the public is really dumb.

And Stevie saying it's a shame for him to pass judgment... she said at MusiCares that "I don't have anybody. I feel lonely after shows" What a fool.

**jbrownsjr** · #10 09-09-2021, 07:46 AM

It's exactly what most of us thought was happening. $he's a money grubbing star who's truly lost her creativity. And quite frankly, is probably on drugs again. (Or her publicist is).
The rest of the band and Irving weren't about to give up millions of dollars for what they knew would probably be the last major tour for this groug. Legacy be damnnnned!!!
I remember being labeled a bad fan for saying all this, but as Christine would say, "But it's true!!!"

Macfan4life · #11 09-09-2021, 07:49 AM

One little lick that Lindsey got in that has not been covered yet is Lindsey throwing the jealousy card at Stevie because he is still able to be mobile and jump around the stage.

OUCH. He went there

**jbrownsjr** · #12 09-09-2021, 08:12 AM

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One little lick that Lindsey got in that has not been covered yet is Lindsey throwing the jealousy card at Stevie because he is still able to be mobile and jump around the stage.

OUCH. He went there

Yea, that sure was a swipe at her body in an indirect way.
The truth is, she just kind of stands there, tries to dance (but really can't dance) and growls god awful tones into the mic.

BigAl84 · #13 09-09-2021, 08:18 AM

The thing is...while some of Lindsey's comments may appear to be low blows, if we're being really honest about things:

1. Christine has apparently (according to Lindsey) already alluded to the fact that she was purely financially motivated to participate in the 2018 tour and didn't want to rock the boat defending Lindsey.

2. Anyone who googles Mick Fleetwood will be very aware of his financial struggles. I'd venture to say Mick would be the first to admit he doesn't have the best financial track record.

3. The comments about Stevie's choices - well, after all of these years it really makes one wonder where does all the resentment come from at this point in time? They cleared the air in 2012/2013 in which Stevie was very proud to tout the story to the press about her hours-long phone call rant to Lindsey Buckingham, which was well-received by Lindsey.

The rest of the band has been able to move on with the exception of her. I'm sure it causes Lindsey to wonder if it's long-term resentment caused by some core differences between him and Stevie.

4. Stevie has publicly acknowledged many times how he is really credited for making Fleetwood Mac shows a really good rock and roll show. Those comments started in 2003/2004 and continued through at least 2009. She's very aware of what he brings to the table. Again, for Lindsey to wonder if this is where the resentment starts to play a role, he's not making far-fetched suggestions.

5. BOTH Mick and Lindsey pleaded with her to participate in the Buckingham McVie project and she still bowed out. Lack of creativity isn't exactly a far-fetched thing to conclude when wondering why she wouldn't participate. It's a valid question to ask. Not to mention the majority of her rebuttals at the time had nothing to do with Lindsey and everything to do with "albums don't make money" or "I'm busy with my project".

Long story short - although his comments are very sharp-cutting on paper, none of it is untruthful or baseless assumptions.

There's a lot of ugliness behind the curtain and he's not sugar-coating it.

sue · #14 09-09-2021, 08:59 AM

I don’t understand why they are still so money grabbing.
They are all well over retirement age and with the amounts they have earned in their careers should be more than comfortable.
They are (maybe Mick excluded) all rich…

So why bother to tour at all ?

Well in Lindsey’s case he still has an artistic need to fill.
But for Stevie it’s an enormous ego.

aleuzzi · #15 09-09-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84

The thing is...while some of Lindsey's comments may appear to be low blows, if we're being really honest about things:

1. Christine has apparently (according to Lindsey) already alluded to the fact that she was purely financially motivated to participate in the 2018 tour and didn't want to rock the boat defending Lindsey.

2. Anyone who googles Mick Fleetwood will be very aware of his financial struggles. I'd venture to say Mick would be the first to admit he doesn't have the best financial track record.

3. The comments about Stevie's choices - well, after all of these years it really makes one wonder where does all the resentment come from at this point in time? They cleared the air in 2012/2013 in which Stevie was very proud to tout the story to the press about her hours-long phone call rant to Lindsey Buckingham, which was well-received by Lindsey.

The rest of the band has been able to move on with the exception of her. I'm sure it causes Lindsey to wonder if it's long-term resentment caused by some core differences between him and Stevie.

4. Stevie has publicly acknowledged many times how he is really credited for making Fleetwood Mac shows a really good rock and roll show. Those comments started in 2003/2004 and continued through at least 2009. She's very aware of what he brings to the table. Again, for Lindsey to wonder if this is where the resentment starts to play a role, he's not making far-fetched suggestions.

5. BOTH Mick and Lindsey pleaded with her to participate in the Buckingham McVie project and she still bowed out. Lack of creativity isn't exactly a far-fetched thing to conclude when wondering why she wouldn't participate. It's a valid question to ask. Not to mention the majority of her rebuttals at the time had nothing to do with Lindsey and everything to do with "albums don't make money" or "I'm busy with my project".

Long story short - although his comments are very sharp-cutting on paper, none of it is untruthful or baseless assumptions.

There's a lot of ugliness behind the curtain and he's not sugar-coating it.

I wholeheartedly agree. I didn’t think any of his comments were off-base or even in bad taste. People are just used to reading well-monitored commentary on Nicks. Everyone has been exceedingly kind to her these past 15 or so years. The truth is, she is a cultural force, but a bitter, solipsistic one. The solipsism has always been there. The bitterness has deepened over time. Where she wields her power is by manipulating the greed and shallow ambitions of the British trio. If they had half as much integrity as Lindsey, they would never have gone through with the 2018 tour.

That said, I can totally see Lindsey being an unpleasant, self-righteous, arrogant handful.

So there’s that.