Mike C. / "Lockdown"

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That new song is literally two overdubs away from being Fleetwood Mac. It’s in the same category as “Can’t Help Falling In Love,” “Roll With Me Henry,” “Twisted,” LBCM, and all of the GOS songs with Mick, John, and Lindsey. Fleetwood Mac enough for me.

this is interesting. you usually insist that it's all about Mick and John for you and as long as they are there, you are there too. there's no Fleetwood or Mac on Neil Finn song but still FM for you.

Twisted is not FM.

GOS songs are with Mick and John, as are BuckVie songs.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

this is interesting. you usually insist that it's all about Mick and John for you and as long as they are there, you are there too. there's no Fleetwood or Mac on Neil Finn song but still FM for you.

Twisted is not FM.

GOS songs are with Mick and John, as are BuckVie songs.

Neil’s song is the entire front line of the current lineup. It’s not just some random grouping of people.

If you want to get all lawyerly, is “Second Hand News,” which doesn’t have John on bass, really a Fleetwood Mac song? What about Lindsey’s “Tusk” and “Tango” songs that clearly do not have those guys? “Landslide,” “Never Going Back Again,” “Songbird,” “The World Keep On Turning,” “The Way I Feel,” and “Forever?” How far do you want to take that? And, on the flip side, is “Warewolves of London” a Fleetwood Mac song? Is “Warewolves of London” more of a Fleetwood Mac than “Second Hand News?”

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Neil’s song is the entire front line of the current lineup. It’s not just some random grouping of people.

If you want to get all lawyerly, is “Second Hand News,” which doesn’t have John on bass, really a Fleetwood Mac song? What about Lindsey’s “Tusk” and “Tango” songs that clearly do not have those guys? “Landslide,” “Never Going Back Again,” “Songbird,” “The World Keep On Turning,” “The Way I Feel,” and “Forever?” How far do you want to take that? And, on the flip side, is “Warewolves of London” a Fleetwood Mac song? Is “Warewolves of London” more of a Fleetwood Mac than “Second Hand News?”

cute.

i'm not talking lawyerly or objective, or by contract. i'm talking what you always claim is FM to you - Fleetwood and Mac, you usually say, as long as they are there, you'll be there, and it will be FM for you.

for me? Peter Green or Lindsey Buckingham are all that's important in Fleetwood Mac. as long as either one of them is there, i'm good. if neither is there, i couldn't care less.

[SteveMacD]

A song with Mick and John with at least one of the principals is the perfect, ideal measure of a Fleetwood Mac song. After that, it should have a minimum of three principals (except for the Peter Green Bluesbreaker songs, where Pete and John were enough). But, there are no hard rules. That “Blues Jam at Chess” would be a mess.

However, “Sentimental Lady,” “It Ain’t Over,” and “Twisted,” as well as “Find Your Way Back Home” are basically Fleetwood Mac songs, IMO.

[FuzzyPlum]

The question is...why doesn't it have Mick and John on it?
If its got Chris and Stevie (and Mike apparently) then surely Neil would have sought out Mick's participation at least, if not John. If the proceeds are for charity, then a track billed as by Fleetwood Mac is always going to sell more than Neil Finn (albeit with a 'featuring....' credit).

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

The question is...why doesn't it have Mick and John on it?
If its got Chris and Stevie (and Mike apparently) then surely Neil would have sought out Mick's participation at least, if not John. If the proceeds are for charity, then a track billed as by Fleetwood Mac is always going to sell more than Neil Finn (albeit with a 'featuring....' credit).

I’m under the impression that it was modern day postal rock (where they e-mail tracks recorded at home) made during the pandemic. I can’t see Mick and John having elaborate home recording equipment like the others would. I could be wrong.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I’m under the impression that it was modern day postal rock (where they e-mail tracks recorded at home) made during the pandemic. I can’t see Mick and John having elaborate home recording equipment like the others would. I could be wrong.

Fair enough. Would that mean Chris owns a property in LA now....with recording capability? Indeed, where has she even been living all this time? US or UK?

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

The question is...why doesn't it have Mick and John on it?
If its got Chris and Stevie (and Mike apparently) then surely Neil would have sought out Mick's participation at least, if not John. If the proceeds are for charity, then a track billed as by Fleetwood Mac is always going to sell more than Neil Finn (albeit with a 'featuring....' credit).

because it was done by Neil as a Neil song, but then, hey, it's easy enough to get the other vocalists to layer in some harmonies and having Stevie on especially would get it far more attention. in other words, it was not a true "collaboration" or "group effort". It's a Neil song with the girls layered in. Not saying good or bad, just not a real band effort. I didn't enjoy the later Rumours5 stuff done that way as much as the earlier stuff where they were all in studio together putting tracks down either. I think you can hear the difference when music is done piecemeal.

But I don't think this song represents any sort of indication of them doing any larger group project together. He did a charity song and thought it would help promote it better to have Stevie and Chris on it. That's it.

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

because it was done by Neil as a Neil song, but then, hey, it's easy enough to get the other vocalists to layer in some harmonies and having Stevie on especially would get it far more attention. in other words, it was not a true "collaboration" or "group effort". It's a Neil song with the girls layered in. Not saying good or bad, just not a real band effort. I didn't enjoy the later Rumours5 stuff done that way as much as the earlier stuff where they were all in studio together putting tracks down either. I think you can hear the difference when music is done piecemeal.

But I don't think this song represents any sort of indication of them doing any larger group project together. He did a charity song and thought it would help promote it better to have Stevie and Chris on it. That's it.

Could be it was also something of a trial run for recording together, hence not committing to "by Fleetwood Mac" yet.