So, In Regard To This New EP......

[fleetwoodguy79]

Originally Posted by elle

well, HIS songs on SYW were some of the best stuff he's ever done, still. i keep having hard time choosing between his GOS1/SYW and his SWS material (which he also said is some of the best stuff he's even done , and he was right in both cases, imho).

Sad Angel sounds great and rocking, but it also sound like formula FM. a bit blander and less punky than TTWLG. since he was going for fleetwood mac-y, i assume most of the people on this board will love these new songs, and i also assume that i will still prefer his GOS1/SYW material.

but, don't you want your favorite musician or band to be enthusiastic about the new stuff he's producing??

It's funny that you mention "producing"... I really hope that Lindsey doesn't over-produce these new songs. IMO, The Mac sounds at their best when their more raw. Without You sounds fantastic live, as does SA because they're more in their raw form.

If he gives it cheesy guitar sounds (pretty much all of SYW outside of BTLH and SYHA) and a ton of vocal effects, it's going to sound like crap. I really like what Lindsey did with SWS and his One Man Show efforts - let's hope he keeps it minimalistic. The Buckingham Nicks song at least deserves that!

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by elle

well, HIS songs on SYW were some of the best stuff he's ever done, still. i keep having hard time choosing between his GOS1/SYW and his SWS material (which he also said is some of the best stuff he's even done , and he was right in both cases, imho).

Sad Angel sounds great and rocking, but it also sound like formula FM. a bit blander and less punky than TTWLG. since he was going for fleetwood mac-y, i assume most of the people on this board will love these new songs, and i also assume that i will still prefer his GOS1/SYW material.

but, don't you want your favorite musician or band to be enthusiastic about the new stuff he's producing??

Regarding "Sad Angel", I've only heard the youtube recordings, but I tend to agree. It's pleasant enough, but a bit formulaic. Maybe the production can kick it up a notch. We'll see.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

Sad Angel sounds great and rocking, but it also sound like formula FM. a bit blander and less punky than TTWLG. since he was going for fleetwood mac-y, i assume most of the people on this board will love these new songs,

I myself don't like "blander" songs. Less punky, maybe, but it's not blandness that draws me to songs that I love and that you may not like. And I would say that SYHA and BTLH are the exception. I really don't think that the bulk of Lindsey's FM songs are extremely commercial. I think he realized that FM already had a strong pop presence in Christine and he tried to make his songs quirky in contrast. Some were odd, some were pop, but weirder, because they were retro (Diane, Caroline), but I think they are mostly off center.

I think he deliberately tried to keep Trouble and Did You Miss Me or even my beloved Gone Too Far, songs like that, out of FM for the most part, because he knew FM already would have things like Little Lies.

Michele

[mitzo]

For the most part it is Lindsey's complex production that has made the great FM songs, I don't know why people always seem to want that stripped away. Over the years he has made some incredible works of art out of very minimal raw songwriting material.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I myself don't like "blander" songs. Less punky, maybe, but it's not blandness that draws me to songs that I love and that you may not like. And I would say that SYHA and BTLH are the exception. I really don't think that the bulk of Lindsey's FM songs are extremely commercial. I think he realized that FM already had a strong pop presence in Christine and he tried to make his songs quirky in contrast. Some were odd, some were pop, but weirder, because they were retro (Diane, Caroline), but I think they are mostly off center.

I think he deliberately tried to keep Trouble and Did You Miss Me or even my beloved Gone Too Far, songs like that, out of FM for the most part, because he knew FM already would have things like Little Lies.

Michele

I still think when Lindsey wants to, no one can make a better pop song.

[TrueFaith77]

I think Lindsey's production on SWS was nearly-awful.

I think that the songs he didn't produce that appeared on the soundtrack for that movie were exhilarating and sounded so fresh and perfect. He should bring that guy in for the Mac album/ep/whateversnevergonnabe.

[JamieSPC]

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

I think Lindsey's production on SWS was nearly-awful.

I think that the songs he didn't produce that appeared on the soundtrack for that movie were exhilarating and sounded so fresh and perfect. He should bring that guy in for the Mac album/ep/whateversnevergonnabe.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I find all the talk of "formulaic" ironic. Lindsey's "production" is formula. Jangly, plucky guitars with tons of high end (geez, who does his mastering? It's awful); homogenous vocal effects that inexplicably disguise an otherwise amazing voice (dude can SING... why does he do that?); multiple songs with metronomes on the rhythm track (I'd think it was a mistake if it didn't seem he was building the track around it). SYW has some incredible songs, and some of them are brilliantly produced. But the above trends began with some of the songs there, and carried over to UTS in particular. OMS and the live tour around it were refreshing vocally, but the backing tracks were still generally poor; some of them sounded like MIDI downloaded from the Interwebz.

Fleetwood Mac desperately needs a producer or engineer or both. Lindsey can arrange and compose, but when it comes to recording... yikes. (This is something Ken Callait has said before, and he is quite right.)

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I still think when Lindsey wants to, no one can make a better pop song.

Oh, I think his pop sensibilities are apparent in FM's catalog, not to mention his own albums, OOTC, SWS and GOS as well.

Michele

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by JamieSPC

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I find all the talk of "formulaic" ironic. Lindsey's "production" is formula.

Fleetwood Mac desperately needs a producer or engineer or both. Lindsey can arrange and compose, but when it comes to recording... yikes. (This is something Ken Callait has said before, and he is quite right.)

Haha. It is 100 % his Own formula. it's a formula, Or style, Or Whatever you call it, that he concocted, brewed, and made his own. You may not like it, But the formula's that Lindsey talks about are formula's made by others, just to fit in a brand. Now what Ken Caillat says, is very subjective: he was a very gifted craftsman when it comes to recording, and Lindsey threw away all the values Ken stood for after Rumours. Thus, he's been telling stories from a certain point of view. And Lindsey is portrayed by him as a selfish selfindulged and stubborn unkind person, lately. Could all be true, but I constantly keep in mind that he still thinks Lindsey ruined his career after Rumours, without denying LB's brilliance and vision by the way.

I don't like Lindsey's productionstyle either. Somehow, he always wins me over. Because it's so idiosyncratic, sketchy, out of balance and pure in it's cartoonesque reality.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Haha. It is 100 % his Own formula. it's a formula, Or style, Or Whatever you call it, that he concocted, brewed, and made his own. You may not like it, But the formula's that Lindsey talks about are formula's made by others, just to fit in a brand. Now what Ken Caillat says, is very subjective: he was a very gifted craftsman when it comes to recording, and Lindsey threw away all the values Ken stood for after Rumours. Thus, he's been telling stories from a certain point of view. And Lindsey is portrayed by him as a selfish selfindulged and stubborn unkind person, lately. Could all be true, but I constantly keep in mind that he still thinks Lindsey ruined his career after Rumours, without denying LB's brilliance and vision by the way.

I don't like Lindsey's productionstyle either. Somehow, he always wins me over. Because it's so idiosyncratic, sketchy, out of balance and pure in it's cartoonesque reality.

You're starting to sound like him (and that's a compliment btw)

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

(and that's a compliment btw)

Hmm, I'm not sure if I can take that as a compliment....

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

Regarding "Sad Angel", I've only heard the youtube recordings, but I tend to agree. It's pleasant enough, but a bit formulaic. Maybe the production can kick it up a notch. We'll see.

I agree. As much as I like Sad Angel, sometimes during musical parts I feel like I'm listening to Temporary One.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Richard B

I agree. As much as I like Sad Angel, sometimes during musical parts I feel like I'm listening to Temporary One.

Oh, yes, it's clear that Lindsey has left the left Side of his palette for the recordings of new FM material. He has said that it is all very pop and very Mac. Formula. The Guy has sold his soul. Why? To please the girl, so they can hit the cashmachine again with a long tour and maybe more.

[elle]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Oh, yes, it's clear that Lindsey has left the left Side of his palette for the recordings of new FM material. He has said that it is all very pop and very Mac. Formula. The Guy has sold his soul. Why? To please the girl, so they can hit the cashmachine again with a long tour and maybe more.

yup. hit the nail on the head right there. LB was not shy about saying basically the same, either.

hope they get all this new music out for us, but i really don't want them touring beyond start of 2014. i count on SN to put an end to that lol.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Oh, yes, it's clear that Lindsey has left the left Side of his palette for the recordings of new FM material. He has said that it is all very pop and very Mac. Formula. The Guy has sold his soul. Why? To please the girl, so they can hit the cashmachine again with a long tour and maybe more.

I'm willing to bet "the girl" isn't the only one who will be pleased if the new tracks are very "Fleetwood Mac" in style. I know I've certainly missed that sound.