I haven't been able to get on all day!

[GateandGarden]

Sorry, I just had to make a thread about it! I've been trying to get on here all day! I've been missing y'all so much because they're so many crazy Bush supporters around here. I wanted to cry with y'all when the news came in, but I couldn't get on.

Hillary

[greatdarkwing]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Sorry, I just had to make a thread about it! I've been trying to get on here all day! I've been missing y'all so much because they're so many crazy Bush supporters around here. I wanted to cry with y'all when the news came in, but I couldn't get on.

Hillary

ITS A BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!!!

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

ITS A BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!!!

Yeah, I had a great time sobbing my eyes out in English class because I WILL NEVER GET MARRIED!!! Splendid day.

Hillary

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Yeah, I had a great time sobbing my eyes out in English class because I WILL NEVER GET MARRIED!!! Splendid day.

Hillary

I know it seems horribly bleak right now - but I don't know - I think sometimes things get darker before they get lighter - I am confident that the day will come when you can get married...social movements such as this don't happen overnight - I mean there was a time when interracial marraige was considered an abomination....things will come around...

BUT I know those day have suffered a major set back - and the fact that Bush may get to appoint up to FOUR supreme Court Justices...oy...I'm frightened....

[DrummerDeanna]

Oh - Right - I couldn't get on either but I figured it was a server issue...

But man - my work day was spectacularly boring without the Ledge...I was lost...

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I know it seems horribly bleak right now - but I don't know - I think sometimes things get darker before they get lighter - I am confident that the day will come when you can get married...social movements such as this don't happen overnight - I mean there was a time when interracial marraige was considered an abomination....things will come around...

BUT I know those day have suffered a major set back - and the fact that Bush may get to appoint up to FOUR supreme Court Justices...oy...I'm frightened....

I do see what you're saying. I hate to be too upset; things are usually better than I think they're going to be, but with this ultra-conservative victory, I'm thinking we won't have gay marriage all over the U.S. in my lifetime.

Hillary

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I do see what you're saying. I hate to be too upset; things are usually better than I think they're going to be, but with this ultra-conservative victory, I'm thinking we won't have gay marriage all over the U.S. in my lifetime.

Hillary

So are you holding out for the day when gay marriage is completely legal and acknowledged before making that kind of commitment to someone?

I don't think I worded that exactly how I meant it - but what I'm getting at is - and here's an example...

My friend Marieka and her girlfriend Genie consider themselves married -they had a ceremony and all...I mean - I know that ultimately it would be wonderful for there to be a legal acknowledgment of that union along w/benefits married couples get - but I guess my question is - are you holding out for all or nothing?

I hope I make sense...I was just curious...because until gay marriage is legal I know I have several gay couple friends who are (for the time being) doing the commitment ceremony thing...

[amber]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I know it seems horribly bleak right now - but I don't know - I think sometimes things get darker before they get lighter - I am confident that the day will come when you can get married...social movements such as this don't happen overnight - I mean there was a time when interracial marraige was considered an abomination....things will come around...

BUT I know those day have suffered a major set back - and the fact that Bush may get to appoint up to FOUR supreme Court Justices...oy...I'm frightened....

That was on the top of my list of fears, the supreme court justice thing...God, I wonder how much more he can F*** things up in 4 more years? *shudder*

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Yeah, I had a great time sobbing my eyes out in English class because I WILL NEVER GET MARRIED!!! Splendid day.

Hillary

Maybe gays and lesbians should start marrying each other.


They won't stop us!

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

ITS A BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!!!

I'm glad someone thinks so . It's a sad day. Kerry didn't lose... we all did.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

I'm glad someone thinks so . It's a sad day. Kerry didn't lose... we all did.

to that...Wednesday sucked majorly overdosed amounts of ass in the Johnson household (First Bush winning then no electric for 24 hours while the temp dropped to freezin')

Brian "I still cannot feel my toes" j.

[DrummerDeanna]

So rather than get down in the dumps about being gay AND having Bush in office - stand up and fight!!

There are many organizations working for change...

He may try to overturn Roe V. Wade, constitutianally ban gay marriage etc...These thing WILL NOT stand....I simply won't believe it....the only thing ever BANNED in the constitution was what - alcohol - that got taken out...now this...it won't stick...if it gets in there in the first place...

I do think that things may get darker before they get lighter....

BUT rather than be miserable...find an organization/s that does good work, matters to you and work for a positive change in this country...I'm hoping that this election makes people wake up and WORK HARDER...rather than just skulking back and letting the **** fly...

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

So rather than get down in the dumps about being gay AND having Bush in office - stand up and fight!!

That's what I fully intend to do. But I have to confess that when you find yourself fighting for everything and anything you have in life, it gets a bit exhausting after awhile. Your resolve takes a beating, and sometimes it's harder to pick yourself back up after a huge defeat. Especially when it feels as if half the country is against you.

But I will keep fighting. Not just for me, but for my friends. Especially the younger ones... for Hillary, for Curtis, for Josh, and many others... so that, when they're in their 30s, it'll be easier for them than it is for me and my friends who are in their 30s.
Just as I know my gay friends who are in their 40s and 50s fought (and continue to fight) so hard so that things would be easier for those of us younger than they are.

I don't think anyone is throwing in the towel and giving up. I just think we're all a little demoralized right now, and reacting in our own ways.
Some of us are trying to look at the bright side, some of us are severely depressed, some of us are angry and lashing out, and most of us are experiencing a combination of all of those reactions.

We've exprienced a great blow to our morale, and it's going to take some time to regroup and face the next series of battles, but we'll do it.

Everything in its own time.

[stargazer99]

Mary! I didn't even realize you were on the Ledge. I'm so glad you're here.

Thanks Hilary! It's good to see you here, too... miss you on the other Board!

I guess it's shallow, but I feel better when I visit this board because it's one of the very few places where I can locate like minds.

I usually just lurk here, but started responding on election night because I was SO nervous about the election, and felt better seeing that others share my views. I was despondent yesterday, couldn't even go to work. I was sick to my stomach with a massive headache. AND I couldn't log on here all day due to the server problems! I couldn't bear to watch or read the news ... I just wanted to hear from others who felt the same as me. So I totally understand the "comfort" factor.. and even how it feels good to have an intelligent debate with those that don't happen to agree with your point of view.

- Mary

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

to that...Wednesday sucked majorly overdosed amounts of ass in the Johnson household (First Bush winning then no electric for 24 hours while the temp dropped to freezin')

Brian "I still cannot feel my toes" j.

You poor thing, Brian, that's awful. My double whammy was my psychotic landlord finding out about my cat. She paid a surprise visit. She has flipped out. I love my cat more than anything, he is my baby, so look out! So I can identify with being clobbered by devastating forces. I am better today but yesterday I felt murderous and devastated all at once.

~Susan