The LANDSLIDE Will bring It Down

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I cannot wait until this evening.

Oh, it'll be better than any book or film.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Vianna

Sorry, nobody's worse than Tricky Dick-well, maybe "how many kids did you kill today" Johnson...I wonder how many here remember Nixon and the enemies list? or the tapes with 18 minutes missing and Herblock's hysterical cartoon about that-Richard's sitting on a garbage can with tapes spilling out and saying "I am not a crook"? Dubya is about his equal but not quite as bad-Bushie isn't very smart see and Tricky Dick was much smarter...

Respectfully (as always ) - I disagree. I agree Nixon was no saint, esp. because of Watergate, which was 100% wrong. But, Nixon did end Vietnam, he expanded our relationship with China by visiting it, and many more good things. mostly in the foreign relations dept. Here is a website about Nixon http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rn37.html and the following excerpt (not all are good IMO but the majority are):
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His accomplishments while in office included revenue sharing, the end of the draft, new anticrime laws, and a broad environmental program. As he had promised, he appointed Justices of conservative philosophy to the Supreme Court [this is bad IMO - but he as a R ] One of the most dramatic events of his first term occurred in 1969, when American astronauts made the first moon landing.

Some of his most acclaimed achievements came in his quest for world stability. During visits in 1972 to Beijing and Moscow, he reduced tensions with China and the U.S.S.R. His summit meetings with Russian leader Leonid I. Brezhnev produced a treaty to limit strategic nuclear weapons. In January 1973, he announced an accord with North Viet Nam to end American involvement in Indochina. In 1974, his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, negotiated disengagement agreements between Israel and its opponents, Egypt and Syria.
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I mean I think Clinton's hummer by ML and the subsequent conscious but failed cover up attempt was horrible - but Clinton celarly did some good things that in my opinion far eclipsed that bad act (the cover up that is - I could care a less about the oral sex part) So, I think Nixon is sort of the same - I think his good acts outweighed his lies and failed cover up about Watergate.

But, some people are unable to see past these bad acts - and that is their right I guess AND - Bush has done nothing like this at all.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, some people are unable to see past these bad acts - and that is their right I guess AND - Bush has done nothing like this at all.

No, he just got us into an illegal war and is doing his best to eradicate the Bill Of Rights.
He also sat in a classroom and did nothing while our country was being attacked.

[dissention]

Alright, I'm going to vote now, hopefully I don't miss any good arguments, dammit.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Alright, I'm going to vote now, hopefully I don't miss any good arguments, dammit.

I want a full report when you get back please.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No, he just got us into an illegal war and is doing his best to eradicate the Bill Of Rights.
He also sat in a classroom and did nothing while our country was being attacked.

On a second reading, I think I was unclear. I was not praising W in any way. I was merely pointing out that Clinton and Nixon did some pretty good if not great things and those things should not IMO be eclipsed by theit bad acts.

I think W has detroyed everything he has touched - and this has been throughout his whole life. I mean he had the good will of the world after 9/11 and threw it away to invade Iraq on a premise he knew was false. He spent all of our money and has driven us into debt. He had a chance for prescription drug benefits to all, but instead made a law that makes no sense and is an unabashed boon to the pharmaceutical companies. Ands the list goes on and on

So, if my post made me sound otherwise.

[amber]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Those are worse than Nixon?

yeah, nixon just got caught. And compared to what Reagan and Chimps 2 and 1 did, he's a frickin saint.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

On a second reading, I think I was unclear. I was not praising W in any way. I was merely pointing out that Clinton and Nixon did some pretty good if not great things and those things should not IMO be eclipsed by theit bad acts.

Ah, okay. I wasn't quite sure what you meant there.

[Gazza]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I don't care about charisma, I just want a President who can communicate in complete, coherent sentences.

I'm yet to see Kerry do that.

And anyway, didn't a recent study I read in the New York Times come to the conlusion that Bush probably had a higher IQ than Kerry?

And since we're discussing non-charismatic public figures, might I turn your attention to Tony Blair?

Yeah, we don't like him over here either.

Or Queen Elizabeth?

She's okay.

Or your next King Charles? Believe me, there was a reason why Princess Di was the most photographed and one of the most revered women in the world.

That ended up doing her a lot of good.

Isn't Jimmy Carter generally regarded as your worst president?

[amber]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Isn't Jimmy Carter generally regarded as your worst president?

By some, but also probably the best man who was president. Carter didn't play politics very well, and so couldn't get a lot done. However, this makes me like him more. I could go on and on, but i'll spare you.
Jimmy Carter - Woot!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Isn't Jimmy Carter generally regarded as your worst president?

No.

Also, I don't need the New York Times to tell me that there is something seriously wrong with Junior's gray matter. Nice try though.
What's your problem with Kerry?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I want a full report when you get back please.

Good lord, what a bunch of ****.

I got there at around half past noon and got carded twice. We have the old-fashioned fill-in-the-circle ballots and the machine that you feed them into broke down. It took about twenty minutes to fix it, then I went out until about 2:30 to hold signs. A Bush supporter threw his sign at a Kerry supporter. I was talking to a Bush supporter and the stream of bull**** that he emitted from his mouth astounded me. I was informed that Teresa owns 65% of the Heinz company, is the CEO, and she personally outsources jobs to Mexico. I was also informed that Kerry dodged the draft and that Bush increased combat pay for soldiers by 40%.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Good lord, what a bunch of ****.

I got there at around half past noon and got carded twice. We have the old-fashioned fill-in-the-circle ballots and the machine that you feed them into broke down. It took about twenty minutes to fix it, then I went out until about 2:30 to hold signs. A Bush supporter threw his sign at a Kerry supporter. I was talking to a Bush supporter and the stream of bull**** that he emitted from his mouth astounded me. I was informed that Teresa owns 65% of the Heinz company, is the CEO, and she personally outsources jobs to Mexico. I was also informed that Kerry dodged the draft and that Bush increased combat pay for soldiers by 40%.

Oh well. This is going to be a tough loss for them. Let them spout their Kool Aid enhanced delusions.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by dissention

Good lord, what a bunch of ****.

I got there at around half past noon and got carded twice. We have the old-fashioned fill-in-the-circle ballots and the machine that you feed them into broke down. It took about twenty minutes to fix it, then I went out until about 2:30 to hold signs. A Bush supporter threw his sign at a Kerry supporter. I was talking to a Bush supporter and the stream of bull**** that he emitted from his mouth astounded me. I was informed that Teresa owns 65% of the Heinz company, is the CEO, and she personally outsources jobs to Mexico. I was also informed that Kerry dodged the draft and that Bush increased combat pay for soldiers by 40%.

You weren't the one he threw the sign at were you? Actually, I'm surprised there's a Bush supporter in MA.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Actually, I'm surprised there's a Bush supporter in MA.

Well, every village has its idiot!

(I swear I didn't mean that to sound as mean-spirited as it did.)