Wow! Thank you to whoever created You Tube!

[SillyDreamer]

Well, I can see the problem with my question now, too bad! Why so protective? When you put yourselves out there like they do, what else is expected? Now, I might remember what led me to become disinterested in this forum years ago.
I don't care for nastiness, fan-fiction is terrifying, or anything mean-spirited but are we not all adults? I would imagine it's pretty "heavy", as Stevie would say, doing what they do, sometimes. If it were me, I could see some very big problems arising.
Do those of you who see nothing to it, feel that the progression of things as the show goes from nite to nite is planned? "Oh, I guess I should full on hug Lindsey tonite."? Or..." Oh, I think I'll kiss Stevie's hand and start nibbling on it too!"..."Stevie, I'm going to lean in and sniff (???) you while your finishing Sara at my mic! Un, honey, is that ok with you?"

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by SillyDreamer

I might remember what led me to become disinterested in this forum years ago.


Do those of you who see nothing to it, feel that the progression of things as the show goes from nite to nite is planned?

First of all I wish you would stick around permanently. Just because you disagree with people is no reason to not post here. And secondly, yes, I do think their whole lovey dovey act is planned.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by vivfox

First of all I wish you would stick around permanently. Just because you disagree with people is no reason to not post here. And secondly, yes, I do think their whole lovey dovey act is planned.

I don't think you really have to plan the whole thing. We have that Stevie interview where she told him to look at her, so she wouldn't be left hanging. He said he would look at her neck. From there, as the tour progresses they just do other things. You don't really have to talk about it much and it's not really a big deal. I think it may mean a lot to me the way they touch, but I don't think Stevie and Lindsey are losing a lot of time thinking about it. I mean, when Lindsey comes up behind her in that pervy way while she is at his mic during Sara, I don't necessarily think he told her he was going to do it and I don't think she cares one way or another.

He does something, Stevie recognizes a trend when he does it again and then she responds with something in kind. Oh, is he really going to rub his face all in my hair? Seriously? [shrug] Well, I guess I'll just arch my back to make it easy for him to access. Then, they leave the stage and don't give it a second thought, while people like us remember it from tour to tour. I don't think they are having ongoing planning discussions about it. Just a little "fact-checking" now and then . . .

Michele

[CADreaming]

I also think they do things to joke around with each other - like the chase at the end of GYOW - something one or the other just may not be into one night so one tries it and then drops it when the other doesn't respond. But, I do think they test run certain things & know what is visually appealing, that's just professional.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I also think they do things to joke around with each other - like the chase at the end of GYOW - something one or the other just may not be into one night so one tries it and then drops it when the other doesn't respond. But, I do think they test run certain things & know what is visually appealing, that's just professional.

Yeah, like with Landslide when she would stand in back of him. She embraced him sometimes and then she would play the piano on his shoulder and then he decided he would just lean back and see if she would support his weight and she would. But I think there are some nights, if he knew she was mad at him that maybe it wouldn't be so wise for him to lean back and assume she wouldn't let him fall.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yeah, like with Landslide when she would stand in back of him. She embraced him sometimes and then she would play the piano on his shoulder and then he decided he would just lean back and see if she would support his weight and she would. But I think there are some nights, if he knew she was mad at him that maybe it wouldn't be so wise for him to lean back and assume she wouldn't let him fall.

Michele

Exactly. She has said what they do onstage just sort of depends on their mood or what happened that day. For all we know, Lindsey could have ticked her off by standing in the doorway asking her how long it was gonna take her to fix her hair because the crickets had started. LOL.

[guitarchick82]

I think most people know their onstage antics are scripted. I mean, it's pretty obvious when things are scripted, because they're doing it at every single show. Now why people start reading into what they're doing onstage, I don't know. I don't see what the harm is in discussing their relationship. We all know Lindsey is happily married (he says so in pretty much every interview he gives) and that Stevie is happily single and they're never going to get back together. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing going on behind the scenes or onstage that his wife would have anything to worry about. They are two people who were once romantically involved who have been musically involved for 40+ years--things are never going to be "normal." And like Lindsey says, they are playing characters up there onstage. You know what, I'm going to shut up and just post some Lindsey quotes, because I think he says it better than I can.

"There's a subtext of love between us, and it would be hard to deny that much of what we've accomplished had something to do with trying to prove something to each other.Maybe that's ****ed up, but this is someone I've known since I was 16, and I think on some weird level we're still trying to work some things out. There will never be romance there, but there are other kinds of love to be had."

"Each of our journeys has never been not a little about the other."

And my personal favorite:

Interviewer: "Do you feel that in some way now it’s part of your role to keep playing into this mythology?"

Lindsey: Well, it’s a mixed bag. There is the mythology and there is, you could call it, a role, but you know that doesn’t mean we haven’t lived it. If you backtrack all the way back to “Rumours,” when all of this mythology rose up, if you look at the appeal of that album, it went beyond the music. It was, whether people could identify it or not, this idea that under less than ideal circumstances, in fact, under quite emotionally challenging and painful circumstances, that we were able to somehow summon up the strength to rise above that and to sort of follow through on what we needed to do fulfill our destiny, if you want to call it that. And so the subtext of “Rumours” becomes not the soap opera part so much as that it was an act of will and that has continued. Where reality stops and where the role begins, it’s a little fuzzy in there, you know.

Interviewer: So not just for us, but for you two too?

Lindsey: For us too! Yeah, and I think that’s appropriate and I don’t know how it could really be any other way because of how it began, you know.


So the way I see it: they have a long, complicated history together, but the romance is over. Instead, they've gotten to a place where they can actually get along and look back on all they have accomplished together musically. They actually have the opportunity--now that they are both at better places in their personal lives--to be friends and have fun making music together. And THAT'S what gives me the warm fuzzies. Not their onstage antics or pretend romance or whatever crap the shippers are blabbing on about () Just the fact that they are getting along and are going to hopefully continue to make more incredibly awesome music for us all to enjoy.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by guitarchick82

Now why people start reading into what they're doing onstage, I don't know.

Sure you do! That's as old as time. Intrigue. Mystery. Sex. The stir of emotions makes tongues wag.

I don't see what the harm is in discussing their relationship.

The truth is it used to be a topic that started wars. It's not really welcome. Honestly, there are about as many opinions on it as there are members. Not everyone agrees with every little aspect and it makes people very upset. And threads get usurped. And feathers get ruffled. And people leave. And really, what difference does it make what people think? If they are acting out their roles, then wouldn't that be our role as well to think there might be something there? Aren't we expected to choose a side in the war of the star crossed lovers who can never ever ever be together again? Although, I heard that the war is pretty good lately.

[Desiree]

I guess how each of us perceive their antics, relationship, etc. has a lot to do with who we ourselves are and the relationships we've had. There is very definitely someone in my past where there was no closure and I'm married for 35 years with 2 kids. I also love my husband, but if I was in highly charged, romantic (acting or not) situations, i.e., singing love songs I wrote about him to him every nite, well...
I don't see them together now in a full on love affair, but I'd bet money there are and have been slips. Like I said, they live differently than the rest of us.
What makes their chemistry so out there that so many people think they should be together, it seems to be a rare thing or is it? That so many people would care so much! I love the music and the story, real or not, it's like a train wreck, you can't take your eyes off them sometimes, lol!

[Desiree]

Originally Posted by SillyDreamer

Hey, everyone! I'm an old Ledgie who got busy and lost track. I've seen every show, but not followed closely since The Dance. I was down for a bit and decided to check out You Tube...OMG! Okay, I watched songs first, from the first to the last American shows. I WATCHED "Sara" go from Stevie being stand-offish toward Lindsey to being told by Lindsey, "You look HOT!" while looking at her very intensely!!! The smile and hug Stevie gave him in return was stunning to me!!!! Is there something I don't know?
Then there's the video catch of S & L coming back for the encore, he's kissing her hand and biting, slobbering on, IDK what. Her look is telling as she pulls him back to whisper about the interchange being on You Tube later. He shrugs like he doesn't care and she's like, just saying...and there are soooo many more!
I love watching but would hate for his children to see those interchanges. FM has always been an ADULT band delivering adult material. The wife knows the deal but children DON'T! Wonder if there will be an eventual backlash?

Just because...this thread was my first post, as SillyDreamer. It was not my past account so we started me up new! Just wanted to say 'Hi!', with my new name!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

For all we know, Lindsey could have ticked her off by standing in the doorway asking her how long it was gonna take her to fix her hair because the crickets had started. LOL.

I think Lindsey was doing something like that in that old tour clip. I think he was begging her and Robin to hurry up and finish putting up her hair bun, so they could get on stage.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by vivfox

First of all I wish you would stick around permanently. Just because you disagree with people is no reason to not post here. And secondly, yes, I do think their whole lovey dovey act is planned.

Can anyone find that link to that recent article Lindsey did where he talks about hanging out with REM and how they would just wing their sets some nights and how FM just never ever does that? He says something like FM creates their whole show, who says what when and all that, and "kind of locks it down" or something to that effect and just does it over and over every night...
For the life of me I cannot find it tonight grrrr...

Is their onstage shtick choreographed? You betcha. Are there some minor variations over the course a tour based on fan reactions? Yep. Are they REALLLLY gonna play out their true personal lives onstage? Don't count on it. Does that mean everything is inauthentic, not necessarily. But it ain't literal. Just compelling to watch for some reason.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SillyDreamer

I love watching but would hate for his children to see those interchanges. FM has always been an ADULT band delivering adult material. The wife knows the deal but children DON'T! Wonder if there will be an eventual backlash?

I wish I could find the article now but I'm doing this away from home.... he was asked recently about his kids and do they get all impressed with dad's being a big rock star and how big FMac is on tour and all and he said no, "because they see the pretense behind it all" ie they know it's a stage act...... so.....

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Can anyone find that link to that recent article Lindsey did where he talks about hanging out with REM and how they would just wing their sets some nights and how FM just never ever does that? He says something like FM creates their whole show, who says what when and all that, and "kind of locks it down" or something to that effect and just does it over and over every night...
For the life of me I cannot find it tonight grrrr...

It was the L. A. Times interview Lindsey did. He said:

"We're not one of those bands that throws the names of all their songs in a hat and pulls them out right before they go on stage," guitarist, songwriter and singer Lindsey Buckingham said last week from a tour stop in Charlotte, N.C. "Years ago I was hanging out with Peter Buck and went to several shows R.E.M. did and they literally did just that. That's one end of the spectrum.

"We've always had the sensibility that you work on the set and you structure it, much like a play, where once you've got the lines down and blocking right, you freeze it, and then you go out and do what you're doing night after night," he said. "You want to structure something that has form and that builds the right dynamic from start to finish."

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Is their onstage shtick choreographed? You betcha. Are there some minor variations over the course a tour based on fan reactions? Yep. Are they REALLLLY gonna play out their true personal lives onstage? Don't count on it. Does that mean everything is inauthentic, not necessarily. But it ain't literal. Just compelling to watch for some reason.

Agreed. But, I think there is a literal symbolism onstage that parallels their personal relationship - past, present, whatever.

Originally Posted by michelej1

It was the L. A. Times interview Lindsey did. He said:

"We're not one of those bands that throws the names of all their songs in a hat and pulls them out right before they go on stage," guitarist, songwriter and singer Lindsey Buckingham said last week from a tour stop in Charlotte, N.C. "Years ago I was hanging out with Peter Buck and went to several shows R.E.M. did and they literally did just that. That's one end of the spectrum.

"We've always had the sensibility that you work on the set and you structure it, much like a play, where once you've got the lines down and blocking right, you freeze it, and then you go out and do what you're doing night after night," he said. "You want to structure something that has form and that builds the right dynamic from start to finish."

Yeah, you can tell Stevie likes to stay really close to that too. Remember how freaked she was because Rod Stewart wouldn't spend hours and hours in rehearsal for the two duets they were gonna do on tour? I've seen her either steer Lindsey away from or back to the choreography a few times. She tells him "go back to your place", "come here" or she has waited for him walk in the GYOW circle. It's been a little looser but she must be very comfortable with structure - I can see how she would really easily loose her place if they veered too far off course. That's why those monitors tell her exactly what to do.