Alec Baldwin - 2007 Father of the Year....NOT!!!

[sara1998]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

that's because the post office and... hates ohio, tbh. sorry babe.

I got MY chocolate penis in the mail....
.... you all can thank me for that, according to Michele....

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . as for your question re: Ireland being safer (I assume you're referring to MY prior comment) 1) I believe the Courts will take steps to ensure her safety based on this voicemail and 2) Alec will be more circumspect in his treatment of her . . . .

And - you have yet to provide one good reason why the public releasing of this tape serves those purposes as the court would have protected the daughter anyway

But, that horse is beaten enough and you will never admit that.

Here is another article --

Baldwin: 'If I never acted again I couldn't care less'

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Divorced dad Alec Baldwin, caught yelling at his daughter on a voicemail message, said Wednesday he asked NBC to let him out of his "30 Rock" contract so he can devote his time to the issue of "parental alienation."

"If I never acted again I couldn't care less," Baldwin said in a pre-taped appearance for ABC's "The View," scheduled to air Friday.

The actor, in a transcript provided to The Associated Press by "The View," said that he also wanted to quit "30 Rock" so the sitcom and the hundreds who work on it wouldn't "be hurt by the situation."

NBC, however, quickly shot down the idea. The actor has became a key asset for the freshman sitcom, stealing the show as an oily but charming network executive overseeing a "Saturday Night Live"-type program.

"Alec Baldwin remains an important part of '30 Rock.' We look forward to having him continue his role in the show," NBC said in a statement Wednesday.

A network spokeswoman said she didn't know how many seasons his contract covered. A call to Baldwin's publicist in New York was not immediately returned.

Baldwin intends to fulfill his obligation to the show, a source close to the actor said Wednesday, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make a statement.

"30 Rock," created by and starring "Saturday Night Live" alumna Tina Fey, has been renewed for a second year. Production wrapped in March and the season finale airs Thursday for the show that has gotten rave reviews but mediocre ratings.

Baldwin and ex-wife Kim Basinger have been embroiled since their 2002 divorce in a custody dispute over their daughter, Ireland, 11. It boiled up recently over Baldwin's telephone message for his daughter, berating her as a "rude, thoughtless little pig" for missing his call.

A tape of the message was obtained by celebrity Web site TMZ.com and broadcast worldwide. The actor blamed his former wife for leaking the tape, which she denied.

Baldwin was interviewed on "The View" by Barbara Walters and Rosie O'Donnell. (O'Donnell announced Wednesday she would be leaving the show after she and ABC failed to come to terms on a contract.)

Walters asked Baldwin about his harsh remarks to his daughter.

"You didn't mean to say it to your child?" she said.

"Well, there's nothing wrong with being frustrated or angry about something," he replied. "It's the way you do it, and as people often do in this world, I took it out on the wrong person because I'm unable, under the current dynamic, to address the other person."

"I realize that was wrong," Baldwin added.

"You said it to your daughter, but you meant it for your ex-wife?" Walters asked.

"Well, I think that goes without saying, quite frankly," Baldwin said.

Asked by Walters if he had spoken to his daughter since and how things stood, Baldwin declined to answer, citing "ongoing procedures and so forth."

The next hearing on visitation issues is scheduled for May 4.

According to the partial transcript from "The View," Baldwin said he intended to take "three years or five years, it doesn't matter," and focus on the problem of divorced parents and their children. He has a book coming out about divorce litigation, possibly this fall, he said.

"There were bills that were proposed (by California lawmakers) that were killed which were about equality and co-parenting and divorce litigation and ... this is work that I've been creeping up on, but I've been busy," he said.

Acting has lost its importance to him, he said.

"I've had enough of this quite frankly to last me a lifetime, especially in the modern tabloid world and ... there's a bigger thing I want to do, there's a more important thing I want to do," Baldwin said.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by sara1998

I got MY chocolate penis in the mail....
.... you all can thank me for that, according to Michele....

thank you, maria

still waiting on mine ...

[estranged4life]

"I'm a Pepper, he's a Pepper, she's a Pepper...Wouldnt you like to be a Pepper too? Be a Pepper, Drink Dr.Pepper"

I would ask for a chocalate vagina, but I am sure someone would send me either Star Jones or a chocalate penis instead

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

And - you have yet to provide one good reason why the public releasing of this tape serves those purposes as the court would have protected the daughter anyway

But, that horse is beaten enough and you will never admit that.

Whether or not we agree about the rightness or wrongness of the tape being leaked, I happen to believe that ASIDE from whatever actions a court might take, Alec himself, without the public humiliation might have continued to treat Ireland in the same over the top manner. THAT is what I think the public airing accomplished that a mere Court could not. I think this brings home for him in a very real way just how asshole-ish he was. At least in this instance.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by carrie721

thank you, maria

still waiting on mine ...

Mine is sitting here staring at me....laughing because you still haven't gotten yours. But wait. I just had an idea. Since you share the same brain now, do you think if I bit into it you'd also be able to taste it???

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Mine is sitting here staring at me....laughing because you still haven't gotten yours. But wait. I just had an idea. Since you share the same brain now, do you think if I bit into it you'd also be able to taste it???

don't get my hopes up

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by carrie721

don't get my hopes up

Sorry. I guess the point really is moot as I don't plan on biting into it anytime soon...I want to savor it and stare at it...and take photos with it. I love my chocolate penis...I'm just bummed I can't take it sunning with me.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by carrie721

i think you really overestimate motherhood. motherhood doesn't exclude women from being selfish, underhanded, or crazy. no woman became a saint because she popped a baby out. she's still capable of making bad choices - ones that are not in her child's best interest.

Or a drunken slag....or a whore.....

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

It did NOT serve any purpose...it didn't "bring awareness" to abuse, in my opinion, all it did was serve to embarass the hell out of Alec and really really impact Ireland.

Yes. Well said, Dee. That's what I was trying to say.

Originally Posted by irishgrl

what I am saying is that we dont know the particulars of this case and as such all our posts are nothing more than idle speculation. In any event, the only PRIVACY issue here relates to Alec, not Irealnd, because by virtue of the tape being aired, I'd say its a safe bet all principals were consulted, with all potential consequences being discussed.

As for my view of Motherhood, I think its far safer to assume you all have a DIM view of it rather than my having an exaggerated view of it. I dont know what passed for a "mother" in any of YOUR lives, but I'll tell you all frankly, I wish I would have had an advocate in MY life. And, I do more than regale all of you regarding what I think is important. I actually go out and do something about it.

Again: Im content to see what a JUDGE makes of all of this. I pray that Ireland has a better, wiser Judge for her case than my son had for his.

You know what they say about assuming....

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Jannie, I know that. I just happen to think that in this instance the protection of the child outweighs the potential privacy issue. I respect what you do and I happen to admire you personally. But regardless, Im not going to sugarcoat how I feel about this, and I think that Alec has shown himself to be volatile at the very least.

Well, this is quite a change from you questioning her "training." Talk about demeaning.

Originally Posted by irishgrl

the road to HELL and all that......glad you're having a blast. How refreshing.

apparently in my time away, I missed the news that you and Carrie were actually joined at the hip as it were....sharing a brain.....egad, what a shame. the decline and fall of a good person.....is there going to be a memorial service?? I wont come but I might (might) send a postcard....

Wow. So Dee's no longer a good person because she disagrees with you? Friends don't always have to agree with one another, they don't always have to back up what the other says. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of ganging up on you, or being on "their" side - whoever "they" is. Hi, paranoid. Dee has a difference of opinion than you (it appears most people do, in this thread at least.) So what? Why get so defensive & catty & tell her she's going to hell? WTF?

Originally Posted by irishgrl

she did more than just disagree. Anyone who accuses me of having "my own agenda" of not being able to "think rationally" is no friend of mine. (not even taking into account the "drinking heavily" or "living in lala land" comments... )

I may have a bias but we all do. My main point is that because this leaked out, I believe Ireland will be safer, which IMO is a good thing.

So, turning the phone call recording over to CPS or their caseworker or the judge or their therapist wouldn't have made her safer? That wouldn't have been enough?


And you may have bias? You're the one who brought up your son's case, then turned around & said it was different than this one. Apples & oranges, I believe you said. You keep implying that the rest of us don't care about the welfare of children because we haven't been through the system like you have (which, btw, you don't know for a fact - just because not everyone talks about it here doesn't mean they haven't had similar experiences), when all we're doing is trying to see both sides of the matter and not rush to judgment over 1 phone call. It's obvious to me that your past experience is making you totally biased against men. Somehow I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard that.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by skcin

Or a drunken slag....or a whore.....

oh the truthmanity!

Wow. So Dee's no longer a good person because she disagrees with you? Friends don't always have to agree with one another, they don't always have to back up what the other says. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of ganging up on you, or being on "their" side - whoever "they" is. Hi, paranoid. Dee has a difference of opinion than you (it appears most people do, in this thread at least.) So what? Why get so defensive & catty & tell her she's going to hell? WTF?

isn't it obvious? dee agrees with me and i'm in league with amber. duh.

[CelticGypsy]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

i thought it was pretty mean when i read the transcript.

when i heard it, i almost died.

there is a big difference. and as someone who has heard that tone and those kinds of words on an answering machine message from my father, i can tell you, that poor child will not ever, ever forget it. the ugliness, the meanness, the hatred, the selfishness. it made my stomach turn.

i think it's disgusting that bassigner and/or her lawyer leaked it. the child will also suffer the effects of that kind of animosity between two parents.

i don't care how much a brat she may or may not be (clearly, she has had no example on how to behave from her parents). she is the child. they are the adults (or supposed to be). i hope there are some smart aunts or uncles or grandparents in her life who will teach her and guide her towards the counselling she will no doubt need at some point.

Totally agree with everything you said. It is a sad situation but Alec and Kim will get theirs when that little girl is a teenager

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by skcin

Wow. So Dee's no longer a good person because she disagrees with you? Friends don't always have to agree with one another, they don't always have to back up what the other says. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of ganging up on you, or being on "their" side - whoever "they" is. Hi, paranoid. Dee has a difference of opinion than you (it appears most people do, in this thread at least.) So what? Why get so defensive & catty & tell her she's going to hell? WTF?

So, turning the phone call recording over to CPS or their caseworker or the judge or their therapist wouldn't have made her safer? That wouldn't have been enough?


And you may have bias? You're the one who brought up your son's case, then turned around & said it was different than this one. Apples & oranges, I believe you said. You keep implying that the rest of us don't care about the welfare of children because we haven't been through the system like you have (which, btw, you don't know for a fact - just because not everyone talks about it here doesn't mean they haven't had similar experiences), when all we're doing is trying to see both sides of the matter and not rush to judgment over 1 phone call. It's obvious to me that your past experience is making you totally biased against men. Somehow I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard that.

Again, she did more than just disagree. She put words in my mouth I didnt say and then belittled those false statements.
I never said ALL women were saints. But Im the only one here who has even Given Kim the benefit of the doubt.

btw: who is a drunken slag or whore?

I find it funny that you even were able to TYPE that you're trying to see both sides of this situation; You've ALL blamed Kim from the beginning. And she did nothing wrong. We dont know WHO leaked the call, but the fact remains, ALEC is the one who blew it. Who is REALLY rushing to judgement here? Not only do you fault Kim, you fault ME and I've done nothing wrong either. Yeah, really objective the lot of you.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Again, she did more than just disagree. She put words in my mouth I didnt say and then belittled those false statements.
I never said ALL women were saints. But Im the only one here who has even Given Kim the benefit of the doubt.

btw: who is a drunken slag or whore?

I find it funny that you even were able to TYPE that you're trying to see both sides of this situation; You've ALL blamed Kim from the beginning. And she did nothing wrong. We dont know WHO leaked the call, but the fact remains, ALEC is the one who blew it. Who is REALLY rushing to judgement here? Not only do you fault Kim, you fault ME and I've done nothing wrong either. Yeah, really objective the lot of you.

Um. I never blamed Kim. I just didn't think it was necessary for this private matter to be made public for the world to see & hear. You never answered me - wouldn't it have helped Ireland to give the recording to the judge/CPS/caseworker etc? Was the relase to the media necessary to protect the child?

And we call Carrie's mom a whore all the time. You seem to think you know everything else about Carrie, I'm surprised you don't remember that fakt. Carrie was bringing up some attributes that make people poor moms (to argue your assertion that someone who gives birth to a child could never use that child as a pawn in a fight with their ex) and she forgot a couple. I'm sure I'll think of more.....

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Whether or not we agree about the rightness or wrongness of the tape being leaked, I happen to believe that ASIDE from whatever actions a court might take, Alec himself, without the public humiliation might have continued to treat Ireland in the same over the top manner. THAT is what I think the public airing accomplished that a mere Court could not. I think this brings home for him in a very real way just how asshole-ish he was. At least in this instance.

First, other than the use of the word "pig," I do not think the VM was that bad. You harp on the staighten you out language, but you are infering that he is going to beat the hell out of her. There has been no evidence he has ever done that. So, I conclude that if we took kids away from parents who speak harshly to them, I submit at least half of the kids in America would be in foster care. I also conclude more parent's should discipline their kids based on the brats I see running free in the mall.

Having said that, Ireland's apparent repeated disrespect of her father's set talk time is brattish behavior and she deserved to be called out by AB and Kim for it. If she did not want to talk to her father (and no one has said she did not) -- then she should have told her mother. Moreover, her mother, the adult, should have made sure her 11 year old daughter was there to answer the phone. I mean come on, who is the fukcing adult here

Finally, I highly doubt an 11 year old has the savy to leak that VM. Kim, on the other hand had every reason to and the wherewithall to do it.

But, you will never ever admit that Kim did anything wrong or could even possibly have done anything wrong -- and even if she did, any public humiliation of Ireland was worth it to bring this topic into general public discourse.

Anyway, last word is your's until we know more facts, which I think will be revealed on The View tommorow

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by carrie721

oh the truthmanity!



isn't it obvious? dee agrees with me and i'm in league with amber. duh.

Uh oh...does that in turn put ME in league with amber? because she'd be completely thrilled about that...she wuvs me...like Alec Baldwin loves..oh nevermind...you can finish that thought Carrie


Either way...had Mary read anything at all about this case, she'd see that Kim is not a blameless saint in this at all...and no, that is not just speculation, there is crap that's been aired for years about her not being a saint. No one is saying Alec is a saint either....but really this (ledge argument) has been taken to a whole new and ridiculous level.