Extra article about stevie

[TinyDancer]

Originally Posted by Josh2003

Actually, I think you have it backwards. Lindsey has realized (and told us ad nauseum that the "big machine" (i.e., Fleetwood Mac) is where the money comes from, and thus he goes along with the "commercial pressures," as you put it: doing what people want, playing up the on-stage dramatics, putting out "safer" music, giving people what they expect from the Fleetwood Mac "machine."

But now that he knows he can have his "little machine," he has embraced it. Three solo albums in...what...five years? Unheard of for LB standards! So as long as he can have the little machine for putting out his truly genuine, creative endeavors, he can go along with what is expected from the "big machine."

Hmmm. Interesting. I definitely can see your point. Everybody wins in this situation. I still just find it so odd that Lindsey would go along with it, but hey a brother has to get paid and if it allows him to put his solo projects out than I can't argue.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

Because you cannot be an artist and have a boyfriend at the same time Stevie.

Right? She's so irrational.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by njova

You know I ultimately feel sad for Stevie when it comes to hearing about her past relationships because clearly alot of them were probably meaningless flings which is probably what she wanted at the time but the way she always makes excuses for not commiting to a relationship because of her job has always annoyed me. She either has severe commitment issues or is terrified to get hurt so she avoids them all together. Just hearing her talk about Lindsey since well... forever there is no doubt that he was ALWAYS the main love of her life and SHE let him get away.

I believe Stevie is a classic love addict. She is attracted to men who cannot do intimacy, always chasing something elusive, and is more in love with the fantasy of the man than the actual man. It is easy to blame her career for lapses in love than to take a closer look. That said it sucks to take a closer look!

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Stevie's~Prince

It makes me sad when she starts talking about why she doesn't have a boyfriend.. Her body language gives a total different story than the one her mouth is talking..

And at the end when she talks about Oprah "God Bless her, she has to talk to alot of people" or something like that.. She seems so childish (in an honored to have met Oprah way) AND I love it!

I sometimes think she is lying and has a secret boyfriend. (Hopes.)

[TinyDancer]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I believe Stevie is a classic love addict. She is attracted to men who cannot do intimacy, always chasing something elusive, and is more in love with the fantasy of the man than the actual man. It is easy to blame her career for lapses in love than to take a closer look. That said it sucks to take a closer look!

Exactly. She is in love with the idea of love, but when it comes down committing forever I think that bores her. Which is sad in some ways because though she has had many "great loves" all of them have since moved on and will they really be there when it matters?

You can be a great artist and be in a committed relationship. Her idea that you can't is ancient and outdated. God knows I love Stevie, but she also would not be the easiest person to live with. Would a man really want to be in the mix with Karen, Lori, and the rest of her posse? So, that could have something to do with it

[fumidesigns]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I sometimes think she is lying and has a secret boyfriend. (Hopes.)

of course she has a "secret love"! imo his choice was not great, but hey......we all "fall from grace". but "for what it's worth", thru it all, she loves him still. she said that the "ghosts are gone" but we all know that spirits either stay w/ you or return from time to time. so yes.................she has a boyfriend.

[fumidesigns]

Originally Posted by TinyDancer

Exactly. She is in love with the idea of love, but when it comes down committing forever I think that bores her. Which is sad in some ways because though she has had many "great loves" all of them have since moved on and will they really be there when it matters?

You can be a great artist and be in a committed relationship. Her idea that you can't is ancient and outdated. God knows I love Stevie, but she also would not be the easiest person to live with. Would a man really want to be in the mix with Karen, Lori, and the rest of her posse? So, that could have something to do with it

lori? yes. sharon? sure. karen? ionno bout all that

just kiddin.........

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by TinyDancer

Exactly. She is in love with the idea of love, but when it comes down committing forever I think that bores her. Which is sad in some ways because though she has had many "great loves" all of them have since moved on and will they really be there when it matters?

You can be a great artist and be in a committed relationship. Her idea that you can't is ancient and outdated. God knows I love Stevie, but she also would not be the easiest person to live with. Would a man really want to be in the mix with Karen, Lori, and the rest of her posse? So, that could have something to do with it

Yes and that "boredom" is yet another symptom of the affliction of addiction. Also, she could make adjustments for a man but she won't. You need to be willing to give at least a little.

[fumidesigns]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Yes and that "boredom" is yet another symptom of the affliction of addiction. Also, she could make adjustments for a man but she won't. You need to be willing to give at least a little.

in all fairness guys..............we have no idea what this woman really has or has not tried to do. maybe he's laying beside her right now. maybe she's preparing his lunch. maybe he's rubbing her back. maybe they're holding hands under a tree....a willow tree. maybe they're necking. maybe they're fighting............just at eachother throats. maybe they're making love right now.........slow, passionate, deep and sensual!

we just don't know. she could be that kind of chick that has tried. tried to make changes in her crazy world just for him. maybe she's done this more than once, with a man she truly loves.........but it just didn't work out.

i don't like to play the "stevie is stuck in her ways" game all the time. she's a woman and WE ALL KNOW how women change their minds.




p.s.........shippers know who my "he" is........i'm just saying. reality......we prob never even seen this guy before.

[Kena]

Originally Posted by TinyDancer

As a recovering shipper (yes, I am in a 12 step program) this comment makes me wonder. I would not put it past Stevie to "pretend" to have a romance on stage. The woman has flat out said it's not about art all the time it's about selling records. I think she feels that way even more when it comes to the Mac than her solo records. The Mac is a cash cow at this point and she understands its purpose.

But, I just can't see Lindsey "pretending" to do anything. He is always talking about the big machine, etc. The Destiny Rules doc. made it obvious, as if it hadn't already been, that he resists commercial pressures. So, why would he go up on stage and fake a chemistry with someone just to please consumers? I don't know maybe he would, but it just seems like a contradiction to everything he always preaches. And often times he is the one who is initiating it and is met with resistance by Stevie.

I donno, I think Lindsey plays it up more than we think...On the last couple tours he did this thing where he would ball his fist up under his chin and kind of lean over and make cutesy faces at Stevie...totally playing it up...but it's also fun and flirty. It makes me think about soap opera stars and their on screen chemistry but in real life they are married to/dating someone else (just fyi - I think that would be an awesome job- making out with guys and gals on screen but not having to go home and wash their clothes and whatnot).
Anywho, with SnL, even if they are just playing it up for the audience, I think anyone that has the history they do with each other can't help but feeling that it's real sometimes. I mean, how many times over the years after they broke up do you think Stevie was giving Lindsey the -for real look of love- and wishing and hoping he was feeling it back and maybe he was just looking at her like wow... what a pathetic fatty.

I have very shipper like tendencies but I DO NOT believe they would ever really get back to together...it really would be pointless. I believe they have very deep feeling for each other...because they have been through so many ups and downs together and have know each other for sooo long. I don't think Stevie has ragging hormones and wants to jump his bones and I bet Lindsey needs a little male enhancement assistance at times so it's not really about the romantic part now...but it was when they were young and had two beautiful bodies, all in harmony and stuff.

Also all the speculation about who Stevie's songs are about is fun but it drives me crazy that for most of them we won't ever know the truth. They could all be about Lindsey and we'll never know...but I have a feeling whoever they are about know and it's probably this crazy little secret and whoever it is thinks - oh my gah, she is so telling all our business and I can't believe she's quoting me - but noone else knows. Crazy.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by fumidesigns

in all fairness guys..............we have no idea what this woman really has or has not tried to do. maybe he's laying beside her right now. maybe she's preparing his lunch. maybe he's rubbing her back. maybe they're holding hands under a tree....a willow tree. maybe they're necking. maybe they're fighting............just at eachother throats. maybe they're making love right now.........slow, passionate, deep and sensual!

we just don't know. she could be that kind of chick that has tried. tried to make changes in her crazy world just for him. maybe she's done this more than once, with a man she truly loves.........but it just didn't work out.

i don't like to play the "stevie is stuck in her ways" game all the time. she's a woman and WE ALL KNOW how women change their minds.

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True, nobody falls under a simple set of labels. Stevie is a Gemini and they are known to be dichotomous.

[tabruns]

I don't see the point of the speculation here. None of us can truly know, no matter what we might want to read into her body language during an interview. Stevie is single because she wants to be, that's the bottom line. That's the choice she's made.

[mezzoforte]

Originally Posted by TinyDancer

Exactly. She is in love with the idea of love, but when it comes down committing forever I think that bores her. Which is sad in some ways because though she has had many "great loves" all of them have since moved on and will they really be there when it matters?

You can be a great artist and be in a committed relationship. Her idea that you can't is ancient and outdated. God knows I love Stevie, but she also would not be the easiest person to live with. Would a man really want to be in the mix with Karen, Lori, and the rest of her posse? So, that could have something to do with it

Yes, yes, yes to the bolded. Let's face it: Stevie's not livin' in the real world. She lives in her own special Stevieworld, a singular place that probably intrigues plenty of men, but would ultimately scare off anyone even marginally normal. The woman cannot drive and depends on a throng of friends/staff/roommates for every basic need. I don't see how her present lifestyle could possibly mesh with a typical long-term relationship.

Which, honestly, doesn't have to be a bad thing. I don't consider it tragic to be forever single. I do consider it tragic to lack long and meaningful relationships, but that's not true of Stevie--she's surrounded by many different kinds of love. There are probably times when she wonders what it would be to have a husband and children, but I tend to think she likes having Karen live with her, often joined by any number of back-up singers, fairy god-daughters, and old friends. It sounds like a very full life, to me.

It seems to hit a lot of nerves around here each time she declares, "I chose to be an artist. Not a wife/mother!" I can see why it would offend some, and she's clearly wrong in saying one can't be both: a number of rockstars are.
But it actually doesn't bother me, and I think people are overly harsh on her on this one. First, because her single, female-heavy environment may well be more inspiring and nurturing to her as an artist. Just because some artists aren't creatively impeded by husbands and children doesn't mean she wouldn't be. She might have known herself well enough to feel that she, at least, couldn't do both well. Second, because if she is indeed unhappy and in denial about her romantic life, as some have suggested (not you specifically), why not let her cling to this idea that she chose the only artist's path? Sometimes we all need a couple of delusions. If this idea helps get her through occasional times of regret and loneliness, she's more than welcome to espouse it IMO.

Originally Posted by fumidesigns

in all fairness guys..............we have no idea what this woman really has or has not tried to do. maybe he's laying beside her right now. maybe she's preparing his lunch. maybe he's rubbing her back. maybe they're holding hands under a tree....a willow tree. maybe they're necking. maybe they're fighting............just at eachother throats. maybe they're making love right now.........slow, passionate, deep and sensual!

we just don't know. she could be that kind of chick that has tried. tried to make changes in her crazy world just for him. maybe she's done this more than once, with a man she truly loves.........but it just didn't work out.

i don't like to play the "stevie is stuck in her ways" game all the time. she's a woman and WE ALL KNOW how women change their minds.




p.s.........shippers know who my "he" is........i'm just saying. reality......we prob never even seen this guy before.

Girl, I cannot even believe you've claimed I'm more of a shipper than you! Not even close

Anyway, Stevie has admitted that she tends to be inflexible in relationships. In the Crystal Visions Commentary for Stand Back she says something to the effect of, "Like I willow, I can bend. I can be flexible! Except in relationships, I'm actually really not at all. I don't bend..."
So yeah, she might be kind of rigid (granted, this is Stevie: ask her again in an hour). But really, I think she has created her own Stevieworld exactly to her liking and probably wouldn't sacrifice it easily. But I agree with you--it's totally possible that she's tried to in the past, but been prevented by something else. She's said she would have given it all up for Joe Walsh, at least--we really have no way of knowing beyond that.

And really, that does not make her a bad or selfish person--I think many people actually give too much of themselves in relationships and end up resenting their partner, which might be even more destructive. Stevie has flaws, but everyone else does, including all of the men she's been with. It always puts a bad taste in my mouth when people blame all of her aborted romances of Stevie's limitations. How can we possibly know?

I agree 100% with her that you can't be an artist to the full extent and have a relationship (flings don't count) and/or kids. I've seen too much proof of it for both males and females. Something gives, or gives up. Another common situation that's tough is when you maintain your focus, but your friends and family, who may have other interests, move on to have kids and relationships; it really changes the dynamic of your environment anyway.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by tabruns

I don't see the point of the speculation here. None of us can truly know, no matter what we might want to read into her body language during an interview. Stevie is single because she wants to be, that's the bottom line. That's the choice she's made.

I'm with you on that!