Stevie Nicks abortions

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by Tango

I suggest were it not for the "evil" internet and the article's occassion appearance on this and other fan sites most people would not have heard of any of this personal information--apart from Don Henley's interview. Does it sound like he is expressing remorse over the event? Like he wanted a child? Or was it some crazy "score" bragging? How does one characterize his interview mention of his relationship with Stevie? Incidental? Accidental? Careless?

What is known is that Stevie never wished the information to be shared in the way that it was shared. Stevie did share to the extent that she wished, via "Goodbye Baby," and "Sara," as she has with other songs about her life. In many of her songs--"Trouble In Shangri-la" comes to mind in particular--you often get the feeling she is sharing something personal, but it's well hidden.

I've never seen how Sara could possibly be about abortion. The only line that seems to fit is "and now it's gone, it doesn't matter what for."

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

I've never seen how Sara could possibly be about abortion. The only line that seems to fit is "and now it's gone, it doesn't matter what for."

What about that last beautiful line, "there's a heartbeat and it never really died." Could be about that or it could be about Robin, you can only guess. That's one of the great things about Stevie's songs. They are all open to soooo many different opinions. And every single one could be dead wrong . Only Stevie knows. Btw, I have heard for many years that, "The Long Run" is absolutely about Stevie and the lines, "did you do it for love/did you do it for money/did you do it for spite/did you think you had to honey." is about the subject.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Bubba Fleetwood

What about that last beautiful line, "there's a heartbeat and it never really died." Could be about that or it could be about Robin, you can only guess. That's one of the great things about Stevie's songs. They are all open to soooo many different opinions. And every single one could be dead wrong . Only Stevie knows. Btw, I have heard for many years that, "The Long Run" is absolutely about Stevie and the lines, "did you do it for love/did you do it for money/did you do it for spite/did you think you had to honey." is about the subject.

Sara was before Robin's death...

[skuncles]

I've always believed that "The Tower" (later know as "Goodbye Baby") was clearly about her unborn child. However after discussing this topic with those much more familiar with it than I am, I have learned that the song is much more likely one of the "Rhiannon" songs as it fits the story line of the Evangeline Walton story of Rhiannon almost verbatim. I have the books, but I've never read them.
As for "Sara", I think that is in part about the unborn child. The song is about everything that was going on after the recording of "Rumours". She has often said that if she were to have a kid she would have named her Sara. She also used the name Sara Anderson when she checked into hotels. And Sara is the alias she used while at Betty Ford, thus "Welcome To The Room...Sara".

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by skuncles

I've always believed that "The Tower" (later know as "Goodbye Baby") was clearly about her unborn child. However after discussing this topic with those much more familiar with it than I am, I have learned that the song is much more likely one of the "Rhiannon" songs as it fits the story line of the Evangeline Walton story of Rhiannon almost verbatim.

I've read that too but I'll post it again:

Matt Baumann (director of Destiny Rules): "one of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two."

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think he would have said that if the song was purely fictional...

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I've read that too but I'll post it again:

Matt Baumann (director of Destiny Rules): "one of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two."

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think he would have said that if the song was purely fictional...

I don't know... to me it doesn't seem like such a deeply personal moment between them. There are parts where it could be, but Lindsey is very much caught up with his guitar and Stevie is being Stevie.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

I don't know... to me it doesn't seem like such a deeply personal moment between them. There are parts where it could be, but Lindsey is very much caught up with his guitar and Stevie is being Stevie.

Obviously they didn't include the entire footage in the film. Since Matt was there, I think he has a better perspective than we do....

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Sara was before Robin's death...

Yeah, now that you mention it, I see I was wrong there. But, as you see....... I voiced an opinion......and was dead wrong.....which...... proves the point I was making.....in the first place.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Bubba Fleetwood

Yeah, now that you mention it, I see I was wrong there. But, as you see....... I voiced an opinion......and was dead wrong.....which...... proves the point I was making.....in the first place.

Well, it sure does!

[PenguinHead]

I think the whole lot of discussions, assumptions, judgements, assertions etc.. about Stevie's abortions should be aborted. Stevie is a not moral compass, she's just a singer/artist. I'm generally only interested about her on that level - a professional/creative level.

Her work is certainly subject to scrutiny, but her personal life (and the choices she makes), like everyone elses, is her business, not ours. I don't subscribe to the overwrought hyper-tabloid dissection of people's personal lives which has become standard practice both in the media and social networks.

[GoldDustOrphan]

I think the whole lot of discussions, assumptions, judgements, assertions etc.. about Stevie's abortions should be aborted. Stevie is a not moral compass, she's just a singer/artist. I'm generally only interested about her on that level - a professional/creative level.

Her work is certainly subject to scrutiny, but her personal life (and the choices she makes), like everyone elses, is her business, not ours. I don't subscribe to the overwrought hyper-tabloid dissection of people's personal lives which has become standard practice both in the media and social networks.
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I agree 100%.

I usually have no filter on my mouth, but this particular issue is such a private one that discussing it (or simply reading the posts) might not be so cool. The only thing more distasteful is Stevie's unholy affirmation of Taylor Swift's alleged talent, which is why I fear Stevie may have been replaced by a robot double.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by Bubba Fleetwood

Btw, I have heard for many years that, "The Long Run" is absolutely about Stevie and the lines, "did you do it for love/did you do it for money/did you do it for spite/did you think you had to honey." is about the subject.

LOL! Yeah, and "Witchy Woman" is absolutely about Stevie too. Henley wrote it in 1971 after she served him biscuits and gravy at Bob's Big Boy. Since she was too poor at the time to touch up her roots, Henley was able to see that she was naturally "raven-haired" and fantasized about her "rocking him in the nighttime" as he chowed down. His consequent bout with food poisoning induced the delirium which inspired the rest of the lyrics.

[Tango]

Just thought I'd link this thread to the current one--it was not quite two years ago we had the last go round.


http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=38126

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

Of course they didn't, but he said it was one of the moments which made it into the film and what made it into the film doesn't scream deeply personal to me. I've always thought Goodbye Baby was about abortion, but I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that it must have been one between her and Lindsey because this guy says the moment was "deeply personal" because of the "subject matter". I highly doubt Stevie was like, "Oh lets do this song about mine and Lindsey's aborted baby!" For all we know, he may think this song is a song Stevie wrote about leaving Lindsey and how she felt wrong about it all these years. Now if Matt said oh this was about their baby Stevie aborted, then I would think there was some merit to that, but we are not only reading things into Stevie's song and believing it was about her abortion but then also reading things into Matt's words and assuming now that this song was not only about an abortion, but also one she had because of Lindsey's child. Like I said earlier, Stevie has admitted to having at least one abortion and I honestly wouldn't judge her if she had ten, but I think sometimes we speculate too much, which is fine, but I just want to provide a different perspective.

I see your point and it's valid. But, I have a different perspective anyway. You're also making an assumption that Stevie aborted if she did indeed have a pregnancy via Buckingham, she could have miscarried. The odds are pretty great that she had at least one pregnancy with LB anyway - they lived together for what - 5 or 6 years at least. He still remains (to our knowledge) the longest relationship she's ever had. And, he must be pretty virile - he's sired thrice in his late '50's...

Why is more believable that Rupert Hine (or anyone else besides Henley) would have been one of her baby daddy's?? That is so laughable to me!

Originally Posted by michelej1

I agree with you. He probably does think that, especially when you pair the song with Say Goodbye, which Lindsey makes clear was written after he left the band. He probably thought the song was about them parting and nothing more.

But then let me take the other side for a moment. Even though Matt didn't know the true meaning of the song, if Stevie and Lindsey did, they still could have been sharing a tender abortion moment, only Matt didn't know. Of course, Lindsey probably doesn't know what the heck the song is about either, so he could have been looking at Stevie and thinking, "Oh, this is about when we broke up" and she could have been looking back at him very tearful and emotionally thinking, "Dude, you are really losing your hair fast, all of a sudden."

Michele

Just to play devil's advocate on this - we don't know that Matt doesn't know the truth...

LOL about the hair!!

[michelej1]

This shared moment talk got me thinking desultorily of Lindsey finishing Goodbye Baby for Stevie in Reno. He got the words a bit mussed. I think he thinks the song is about shimmering glass shattering and that's about it.

I wonder why he didn't read the teleprompter with the lyrics on it that Cory operates for Stevie. I wonder if he can see far enough to read it, when he's on stage. I assume he's got his contacts in.

Michele