Help identifying country of origin of bootleg

[BklynBlue]

Thank you – yes you are correct concerning when “Rattlesnake Shake” was recorded (April 15, 1969) so it is possible that this was one of the first times they had performed the number – they had performed a number of songs that would end up on “Then Play On” before recording them in the studio, such as “Before the Beginning” and “Coming Your Way” –
However, the earliest live performances available of “Coming Your Way” find the band taking the number at a break-neck pace – then, after the Royal Albert Hall performance, (April 22nd) it settles into something closer to the studio recording’s tempo
It is the inclusion of “Oh Well” that really throws me – it is a bit rougher than later versions, as if they have not quite locked down the riff, though they could be experimenting; “Homework”, which opens this show, is also quite different from their other performances of the song –
You mentioned that the recording that you have does not include “Man of the World” – is the one that you have nine tracks? Beginning with “If You Let Me Love You”?
The show with “Man of the World” runs to thirteen tracks and seems complete unto itself – the nine track disc was listed as the second disc to that show – but I am beginning to believe that the two were recorded at different times - so it does seem possible that the nine numbers were recorded in April of 1969...

[Ms Moose]

Hm-m. I must have the nine track recording then?

It goes like this:

1. If You let Me Love You
2. Something Inside of Me
3. Jigsaw Puzzle Blues
4. Stop messing Around
5. Before The Beginning
6. Rattlesnake Shake/Searching for Madge
7. Loving Kind
8. Great Balls of Fire
9. Keep A-Knocking

So you actually think this was recorded a year before - meaning april 1969 (not april 1970?) According to Hjort they rounded of their tour of the nordic countires with a concert in Finland on the 3rd of April 1969, so it is plausible. Also the music sounds more 69 than 70'es to me. The live recordings from the last three months of FM (as we know it ) were much more abandoned or wild (can you use that word for it?).

That 13 track recording of yours sounds very interesting! They did "Homework" a lot around 68/69 (I love that song), and a less polished version of "Oh Well" and the only live version of "Man of the World" - WOW!

Ms Moose

[Wouter Vuijk]

I downloaded this from Dime, 19 tracks (including the closing anouncements mentioned) with bonus 4 tracks july 1968 and coverart:

Perhaps this answers a few questions????

Fleetwood Mac-1969-09-24 Helsinki, Kultuuritalo & Helsinki July 1968----Upgrade from FM & 2nd Gen. Audience---------!

Friends, going through my collection, I found out,
that my F.Mac Helsinki 69 FM version has 1 song more & is sounding different (better?) than the previous upload from last year!
I also added the audience portion from the same show and all I have from Helsinki 1968!
This is a nice addition to the recent phantatistic F.Mac 8/70 uploads!
Mp3 samples below!


Tracklist:
1969-09-24 Helsinki, Kultuuritalo:
01. Homework
02. Man Of The World,
03. Like It This Way,
04. Only You,
05. I Believe My Time Ain't Long,
06. Stranger Blues,
07. All over again aka "I´ve got a good Mind to give up living"
08. Oh Well,
09. Comin' Your Way,
10. Shake your money Maker*(not incl in previous upload)
11. Albatross,
12. Great Balls Of Fire (Tape flaws )
13. Jenny, Jenny/cut´s early
------Audience portion:
14. Before the Beginning
15. Rattlesnake Shake
16. Loving Kind
17. Great Balls of Fire(same version as FM version above)
18. Keep a Knockin´
19. Closing Anouncements
Helsinki July 1968 Audience:
20. If you let me love you
21. Something Inside of Me
22. Jigsaw Puzzle Blues
23. Stop Messing arround

Peter Green - Guitar, Vocals
Jeremy Spencer - Guitar, Piano, Vocals
Danny Kirwan – Guitar, Vocals
John McVie - Bass
Mick Fleetwood - Drums

Lineage:
FM:Unknown (low) Gen. Cassette-Nak BMX300-PDR-05 – EAC –Cool Edit- FLAC
Aud: 2nd Gen Cass. :same as above
No EQ!

Transferred, Mastered & Uploaded to Dime May 14, 2006!



Enjoy this piece of F.Mac History!

[BklynBlue]

Wouter, thanks for that -
I have seen the breakdown that you have listed but the date of September 24th is almost certainly incorrect – the did tour the U.K. during September and October, including dates in Ireland, but nowhere else.
I also believe that these are two different shows. The thirteen are one show, the nine listed by Ms. Moose another. I am uncertain how the order of the nine got switched up...

The two versions of “Great Balls of Fire” are not the same – although the running time is almost the same, they are clearly two different performances. The guitars and even Spencer's vocal is different on the two. Also, after the first, the band retunes and then goes into “Keep-a-Knockin’”. On the second, they go almost immediately into “Jenny Jenny”.
If the nine are from Helsinki in April of 1969, it would be mean that they were performing “Rattlesnake Shake” with the “Madge” section before they cut it in the studio !
Hard to believe it could be from April of 1970 though, as by that time, they were already incorporating “Underway” and all of the versions from 1970 run over twenty minutes in length.
Curiouser and curiouser….

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by BklynBlue

Hard to believe it could be from April of 1970 though, as by that time, they were already incorporating “Underway” and all of the versions from 1970 run over twenty minutes in length.

There were a couple of shows very late in that 1970 European tour where "Underway" was split out into a separate number - on 28 March in Copenhagen and 1 April in Stockholm (at least according to the generally-accepted dates/venues for those bootlegs). But you're correct about the length of the "Rattlesnake Shake/Madge" in any case - that 1 April 1970 Stockholm version was still over 20 minutes even without "Underway" included. So that's still a good clue, since the performance in question was just under 9 minutes. I think we can rule out the April '69 date since there are no live recordings of "Rattlesnake Shake" that I know of before October '69.

[librax2]

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

I downloaded this from Dime, 19 tracks (including the closing anouncements mentioned) with bonus 4 tracks july 1968 and coverart[/I]

Any other place to get this? Dime won't accept connections from Comcast in Florida

[Arcana]

Sorry for bringing up an old topic. Just found this forum via Google.

I was quoted somewhere in this thread about the 1969-11-11 date in Finland. I have since collected some additional information about the Helsinki recordings:

Tracks 1-13 from the compilation below are from 1969-11-11 (late show, complete).
Tracks 14-19 are from 1969-11-11 (early show, incomplete)
Tracks 20-23 are from 1969-03-31 (incomplete)

All are audience recordings. Full audience recordings (maybe several?) of these shows are said to exist, but don't seem to have yet been shared online.

A nearly complete FM radio recording from 1969-11-11 (late show) also exists and has been shared at Dime (and subsequently TD.net) in the past with inaccurate 1969-09-24 date.

Unfortunately the online versions of all of these Helsinki recordings have lossy lineage and have therefore been banned from Dime and other sites who don't allow mp3->FLAC lineage.

No recordings are yet known to exist from their first Helsinki show (Nov. 1968). A 4th visit was planned for April 1970, but it was canceled - meaning a bit surprisingly that none of Hjort's Finnish concert date information for F. Mac is quite accurate.

Hope this helps!

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

I downloaded this from Dime, 19 tracks (including the closing anouncements mentioned) with bonus 4 tracks july 1968 and coverart:

Perhaps this answers a few questions????



Tracklist:
1969-09-24 Helsinki, Kultuuritalo:
01. Homework
02. Man Of The World,
03. Like It This Way,
04. Only You,
05. I Believe My Time Ain't Long,
06. Stranger Blues,
07. All over again aka "I´ve got a good Mind to give up living"
08. Oh Well,
09. Comin' Your Way,
10. Shake your money Maker*(not incl in previous upload)
11. Albatross,
12. Great Balls Of Fire (Tape flaws )
13. Jenny, Jenny/cut´s early
------Audience portion:
14. Before the Beginning
15. Rattlesnake Shake
16. Loving Kind
17. Great Balls of Fire(same version as FM version above)
18. Keep a Knockin´
19. Closing Anouncements
Helsinki July 1968 Audience:
20. If you let me love you
21. Something Inside of Me
22. Jigsaw Puzzle Blues
23. Stop Messing arround

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[zoork_1]

Thanks Arcana!
Can you tell a bit more about this...
e.g. the tracks from "1969-03-31"

Best regards
/z

[Arcana]

AFAIK, the setlist for 1969-03-31 should be something like this:

1. Homework
2. If you let me love you
3. Like it this Way
4. Something Inside of Me
5. Dust My Broom / My baby’s gone (?)
6. Got to Move
7. Comin' Your Way
8. Jigsaw Puzzle Blues
9. Stop Messin' Round
10. Albatross
11. Talk to me Baby / I can’t hold out (?)
12. Tallahassee Lassie
13. Shake Your Moneymaker

Originally Posted by zoork_1

Thanks Arcana!
Can you tell a bit more about this...
e.g. the tracks from "1969-03-31"

Best regards
/z

[zoork_1]

Thanks again ...