Stevie and Lindsey circa Tango In The Night

[David]

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

I do not know the history, but "Welcome to the Room Sara" just popped up on my ipod and I was reminded of the interpretation of this song as Stevie wondering what people's reactions will be to her when she gets out of rehab --specifically that of Lindsey.

When I think of the Tango sessions -- the majority of which took place in 1986, not 1987 -- I think of Buckingham, Chris McVie, & the engineers handling the bulk of the work. Fleetwood was drinking & snorting heavily & reportedly not contributing much to the team at that point, John McVie never was crazy about the recording studio, & Nicks was touring her own album (including all the publicity & the concert film post-production). I'm not sure just how "Welcome to the Room" fits into the time line.

Lindsey and CAH had been broken up.

Several years prior. His girlfriend at the time was Cheri Caspari, who was living with him when the band recorded at the Slope (his home).

Stevie had gotten clean.

I don't think so. Not yet. She toured her own album through the beginning of October 1986, & the album was probably ready for final mixing or mastering not long after that, when she was heading back to rehab for the second time.

Was Stevie hoping she and Lindsey would get back together?

Beats me. Was she secretly hoping to move in with him again? It strikes me as unlikely, but I don't know what she was thinking.

Did Klonopin and the pressures/difficulties of the album keep them apart?

The Klonopin postdates the making of the album, but certainly the difficulties of making that album -- lack of band commitment, to put it in a nutshell -- must have driven them all apart emotionally, not just Nicks & Buckingham. We've talked about it before, but another sputtering relationship that hurt Buckingham deeply was his once-strong friendship with Mick.

There was a great deal of putting on a front among the members at that time. At the charity show that Buckingham, Nicks, & Fleetwood played in August 1986, they didn't even mix much backstage; & yet Buckingham spoke onstage about how "healing" making the album had been.

[hippilil86]

Originally Posted by David

The Klonopin postdates the making of the album, but certainly the difficulties of making that album -- lack of band commitment, to put it in a nutshell -- must have driven them all apart emotionally, not just Nicks & Buckingham. We've talked about it before, but another sputtering relationship that hurt Buckingham deeply was his once-strong friendship with Mick.

There was a great deal of putting on a front among the members at that time. At the charity show that Buckingham, Nicks, & Fleetwood played in August 1986, they didn't even mix much backstage; & yet Buckingham spoke onstage about how "healing" making the album had been.

In one of the recent interviews that was posted, too, it was said that Mick was living in a trailer at the bottom of Lindsey's garden at the time of the making of Tango. That was probably pretty rough to see, and I'm sure that Mick was hard to be within yards of at the time, as well.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

The Klonopin postdates the making of the album, but certainly the difficulties of making that album -- lack of band commitment, to put it in a nutshell -- must have driven them all apart emotionally, not just Nicks & Buckingham. We've talked about it before, but another sputtering relationship that hurt Buckingham deeply was his once-strong friendship with Mick.

Yes, I think Lindsey's feelings for Mick are almost as deep and contradictory as any he has for Stevie. Even if he feels alienated from Mick sometimes, I think he sees him as an older brother. It's strange, because even when he's feeling light and friendly, he'd have a lot of censorious things to say about Mick --yet I think he looks up to him.

Michele

[StreetAngel86]

i've always wondered if lindsey was an underlying reason why she went to rehab. like, in the back of her mind maybe she wondered well, if i get clean and start making great music again, maybe lindsey and i can have some sort of relationship again, coz everything is really **** right now.

and she seems absolutely devastated when he left
i dont care what she says
that's a huge chunk of her life that just disappeared

which reminds me of this fic, i cant remember the name or who wrote it but it was about Stevie getting out of rehab and she was hurt [read: pissed] that Lindsey never came to visit her. anyone know where that is? i love it

Originally Posted by David

I don't think so. Not yet. She toured her own album through the beginning of October 1986, & the album was probably ready for final mixing or mastering not long after that, when she was heading back to rehab for the second time.

Stevie went to rehab in Nov 86 right?
yet she continually references going in 1985
i've heard she went twice many times over the years
so when was the "first" time? refresh my memory please

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by StreetAngel86

and she seems absolutely devastated when he left
i dont care what she says
that's a huge chunk of her life that just disappeared

Yeah, even from Mick's book, I get this impression. Mick says she said to Lindsey, "you're breaking my ________ heart." Then, for the Cage tour Mick says that it was hard for Stevie to get used to being on tour without Lindsey. But then again, I think they were all kind of distraught, even though they forged ahead and didn't say so at the time. I always remember them at the press conference and when they said that Lindsey going brought some sadness John followed up with, "definite sadness." I was touched.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yeah, even from Mick's book, I get this impression. Mick says she said to Lindsey, "you're breaking my ________ heart." Then, for the Cage tour Mick says that it was hard for Stevie to get used to being on tour without Lindsey. But then again, I think they were all kind of distraught, even though they forged ahead and didn't say so at the time. I always remember them at the press conference and when they said that Lindsey going brought some sadness John followed up with, "definite sadness." I was touched.

Michele

That's really touching. I sometimes get the impression Lindsey and John are at the least indifferent towards each other.

But, John could have been remembering what went down....and speaking of the incident - whether or not it was as embellished as it became in Mick's book or in the subsequent interviews - that had to be a very heart wrenching scene that played out between SnL...however it went down. (Prior to him pinning her on the car or whatever...)

[StreetAngel86]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

That's really touching. I sometimes get the impression Lindsey and John are at the least indifferent towards each other.

John seems to be the elusive one
ive never even really thought about his r/ship with S or L

it kinda makes those comments coming from John more sadder
because he isnt one to amp up the drama

they were soooooooooo messed up

[~GoldDustWoman~]

So Stevie went to rehab 2 times for coke? Cause I know she went for the kolonopin also. Also did SnL get back together at some point? Some of these posts are confusing me!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

That's really touching. I sometimes get the impression Lindsey and John are at the least indifferent towards each other.

I'm sure they get on each other's nerves, but I remember John saying that being in the band was like having 2 brothers and 2 sisters and that it felt like family, even if you didn't see each other often I think he meant it.

Also, speaking of the BTM appearances, that was one of the nicest moments. I was only there for Los Angeles. I wasn't there the first night Lindsey showed up, but I have the video. When Lindsey goes down the line, hugging the band and reaches John, he gets the feeling that John isn't going to shake his hand and he plays it off, but John reaches out warmly to him. It's both awkward and moving.
Michele

[Nikolaj]

Thanks for posting that clip, CADreaming, her introduction, as you said, indeed was a killer! I love that small change she made to 'Landslide' near the end- 'take this love-take it/if you climb a mountain I hope you make it'
I especially liked seeing her perform the song that way with LB, and seeing his reaction to that small change- he seemed very much to approve- the audience liked it, too, it seems. I'd always thought this slight variation was only done on Stevie's solo tours, so I appreciate having been able to see her perform it with Lindsey.
I think it's so much more emotionally striking performed this way-- "take it", without the 'down' --and it sounds better for her voice too, a case of a little thing that makes a big difference. I bet she's forgotten, completely, about the 'take it/make it' couplet near the ending, but I think it makes a great song even greater. If it was Klonopin-induced (and likely, it was, being the era) it was artistry perfected to drop the last 'down'- I've never heard a 'Landslide' I liked better than the 'Timespace' era ones, and now this one with Lindsey.
Too bad when she stopped the downers she forgot to keep the second 'down' out of Landslide. One 'down' is enough (just don't mix it with wine, weed, and calling the store to deliver a ton of food!)

[Musicman408]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm sure they get on each other's nerves, but I remember John saying that being in the band was like having 2 brothers and 2 sisters and that it felt like family, even if you didn't see each other often I think he meant it.

Also, speaking of the BTM appearances, that was one of the nicest moments. I was only there for Los Angeles. I wasn't there the first night Lindsey showed up, but I have the video. When Lindsey goes down the line, hugging the band and reaches John, he gets the feeling that John isn't going to shake his hand and he plays it off, but John reaches out warmly to him. It's both awkward and moving.
Michele

Could you post video of that??? We'd all love it!!!

[Nico]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm sure they get on each other's nerves, but I remember John saying that being in the band was like having 2 brothers and 2 sisters and that it felt like family, even if you didn't see each other often I think he meant it.

Also, speaking of the BTM appearances, that was one of the nicest moments. I was only there for Los Angeles. I wasn't there the first night Lindsey showed up, but I have the video. When Lindsey goes down the line, hugging the band and reaches John, he gets the feeling that John isn't going to shake his hand and he plays it off, but John reaches out warmly to him. It's both awkward and moving.
Michele

Aww, that's sweet. I'm sure Lindsey could probably get on someone like John's nerves fairly quickly, but I'm also sure they get along at times as well. They seem to have bonded during "Destiny Rules" in some parts...of course, if their form of bonding is Lindsey sitting and bitching about stuff and John smoking cigarettes and laughing hysterically at everything LB says...then they're good.

Mind you, I love LB dearly and think he's just, well, incredible, but he's quite high-strung and JM is more laid-back. It seems like their personalities are quite different but they make it work despite the odds.