New album?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, I think she was a bridge, but not a bridge when it came to Lindsey's contributions to Stevie's songs. I don't think Christine being there kept him from doing what he wanted on those songs (Gypsy, Dreams, etc.)

Lindsey and Stevie working together (as we saw on those making of Angel video clips), from the ground up would do more to make their songs sound more collaborative.

Michele

True, it would be great for a ground up collaboration.

In what way do you think Christine was a bridge though? Musically or politically?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

True, it would be great for a ground up collaboration.

In what way do you think Christine was a bridge though? Musically or politically?

First politically. Probably "bridge" isn't the right term, because I don't think she actually linked them together in the traditional "glue" sense. I think she was more of a deflector, buffer, car bumper . . . They could both turn towards her, so they didn't have to crash into each other head on as often.

Musically, just her presence there didn't facilitate the melding of Stevie and Lindsey's musical sound to me. Christine and Lindsey probably did more for each other's music.

Although Lindsey may think otherwise, I don't think Christine changed the sound of Stevie's music much. Lindsey said something like Christine's presence made Stevie's music less aggressive. Yet, Lindsey was running around feminizing everything (Hold Me) more than Christine ever did.

However, just having Christine in there too made Fleetwood Mac's overall sound more varied and complex. I think it offered fans more.

Michele

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by michelej1

However, just having Christine in there too made Fleetwood Mac's overall sound more varied and complex. I think it offered fans more.

Michele

With three people creating different sounds for a band rather than two, the polar opposites work. The variety IS the band and gives a little something different to each song. With only two songwriters, the divide does not benefit an album (like I think it did with Christine) but instead gives you the impression that there are two solo artists throwing all their tracks on one disk. There's a difference between three people bringing their best music to a table-- we all know generally what to expect from a Christine, Stevie or Lindsey song. With SYW, there were two people doing the same thing and it just didn't work as well.

Three was kinda the magic number, I think.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

Three was kinda the magic number, I think.

Three's the charm.

It's a very pedestrian statement from her, nothing particularly magical at all, but I remember reading my SYW tour book before the show and when I got to the part where Stevie says they were meant to be three for all of those years, it made me cry.

Of course, John then said of Christine, "I thought she got fired," and that quickly laughed the tears away.

Michele

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Three's the charm.

It's a very pedestrian statement from her, nothing particularly magical at all, but I remember reading my SYW tour book before the show and when I got to the part where Stevie says they were meant to be three for all of those years, it made me cry.

Of course, John then said or Christine, "I thought she got fired," and that quickly laughed the tears away.

Michele

Mac constantly brings me to (completely unnecessary) tears and immediately after, I'm cracking up. I wish I could have listened to what was going on in John's head all the time during all the diva drama flying around limos and dressing rooms.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

Mac constantly brings me to (completely unnecessary) tears and immediately after, I'm cracking up. I wish I could have listened to what was going on in John's head all the time during all the diva drama flying around limos and dressing rooms.

Thinking of that tour book, they were questioned about the SYW cover and, until then, although I love the cover photo, I never really thought of how it depicted the four of them all lying down together. In that sense, it is very much like the Rolling Stone bed cover and I had never put those 2 photos together, until I read it in the program.

Although you can fold it out, so that all 4 of them are lying down (and you can fold out Mirage so that you see all 5 of them standing together too), I always thought mostly of Stevie/Lindsey and John/Mick as two separate pairs for the SYW pictures.

Anyway, when asked if they are all sleeping together during the SYW tour, only John says "no." He is emphatic about it. The rest of them give teasing answers. I thought it was pretty amusing.

Michele

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Thinking of that tour book, they were questioned about the SYW cover and, until then, although I love the cover photo, I never really thought of how it depicted the four of them all lying down together. In that sense, it is very much like the Rolling Stone bed cover and I had never put those 2 photos together, until I read it in the program.

Although you can fold it out, so that all 4 of them are lying down (and you can fold out Mirage so that you see all 5 of them standing together too), I always thought mostly of Stevie/Lindsey and John/Mick as two separate pairs for the SYW pictures.

Anyway, when asked if they are all sleeping together during the SYW tour, only John says "no." He is emphatic about it. The rest of them give teasing answers. I thought it was pretty amusing.

Michele

Wow, that is really interesting about the Say You Will cover. I would have never thought about that.

Now that I'm looking at the cover, I think its interesting that John and Mick are completely joined by their hands and neither touch Stevie or Lindsey in any way. Then, Stevie and Lindsey's arms are definitely touching but they are not intertwined. The crazy and analytical writer in me apologizes for this random observation... but I just think it kinda demonstrates the two relationships. Mick and John: the most reliable link in the chain. Stevie and Lindsey: always connected in their independent way with just enough room between them for some friction to start.

....I am ridiculous.

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

First politically. Probably "bridge" isn't the right term, because I don't think she actually linked them together in the traditional "glue" sense. I think she was more of a deflector, buffer, car bumper . . . They could both turn towards her, so they didn't have to crash into each other head on as often.

I think Christine's effect on how the other two interacted was at least as big on tour & onstage as it was in in the studio. From Tusk to Tango, anyway, I tend to believe Stevie wasn't around often enough for Christine's buffer function to have worked much. And the bits of things we have of studio work from the old days indicate to me that Chris & Lindsey (& Lindsey & Mick) were the sympatico pair, not Stevie & Lindsey. In old footage, I don't see Stevie & Lindsey coming together on any level (including the fan-favorite Angel footage): musical, personal, even logistical. I think he mostly ignored her, believing probably that she had very little to contribute to his particular concerns in a recording studio.

Musically, just her presence there didn't facilitate the melding of Stevie and Lindsey's musical sound to me. Christine and Lindsey probably did more for each other's music.

All evidence supports this. In the Fleetwood Mac studio, Stevie was by accounts the little girl squirreling away in her fairy garden, with only occasional (& fruitless) attempts to command any attention. Chris & Lindsey, conversely, sound like co-writers & bandmates on a dozen or more tracks.

Although Lindsey may think otherwise, I don't think Christine changed the sound of Stevie's music much.

To me, that's a little bit like putting the cart before the horse. Fleetwood Mac changed the sound of Stevie's music -- in drastic ways. You would never have heard a Dreams or a Gold Dust Woman or an Angel or a Gypsy treatment on any of Stevie's work with friends or session players. Fleetwood Mac's Appalachianisms (& its English blues) were the chocolate into which Stevie dipped her banana.

(I had to work that banana in there again somehow.)

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

To me, that's a little bit like putting the cart before the horse. Fleetwood Mac changed the sound of Stevie's music -- in drastic ways.

Lindsey's statement was:

To some degree, Stevie, left to her own devices—not necessarily on her solo albums, but in the context of Fleetwood Mac—is, if not a more masculine presence, then certainly a more aggressive presence than when she’s tempered by what Christine would bring to her songs.

I don't know what to say to that except to point out that though he can certainly be aggressive, Lindsey has spent a lot of time tempering the aggression out of people's music himself.

I love his production and I'm tired of all of that angry version Smile At You talk and I do not agree with it, but . . . honestly. If he confronted me with such a comment, I would throw that in his face.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by David

I think Christine's effect on how the other two interacted was at least as big on tour & onstage as it was in in the studio. From Tusk to Tango, anyway, I tend to believe Stevie wasn't around often enough for Christine's buffer function to have worked much. And the bits of things we have of studio work from the old days indicate to me that Chris & Lindsey (& Lindsey & Mick) were the sympatico pair, not Stevie & Lindsey. In old footage, I don't see Stevie & Lindsey coming together on any level (including the fan-favorite Angel footage): musical, personal, even logistical. I think he mostly ignored her, believing probably that she had very little to contribute to his particular concerns in a recording studio.

All evidence supports this. In the Fleetwood Mac studio, Stevie was by accounts the little girl squirreling away in her fairy garden, with only occasional (& fruitless) attempts to command any attention. Chris & Lindsey, conversely, sound like co-writers & bandmates on a dozen or more tracks.

To me, that's a little bit like putting the cart before the horse. Fleetwood Mac changed the sound of Stevie's music -- in drastic ways. You would never have heard a Dreams or a Gold Dust Woman or an Angel or a Gypsy treatment on any of Stevie's work with friends or session players. Fleetwood Mac's Appalachianisms (& its English blues) were the chocolate into which Stevie dipped her banana.

(I had to work that banana in there again somehow.)

This is a fascinating discussion.

But, what about Buckingham Nicks? By all practical purposes, the two did collaborate on those songs. Unless you believe that Stevie had no say whatsoever and handed her songs to Lindsey and that was that. Also, I can hear the same sort of quality in Stevie's BN tracks that would later emerge as the new FM sound. In that regard, LB's fingerprints left an indelible mark on her songs that certainly would never be matched by any cohorts to come.

Also, I can see your point about Christine, but given LB's history with Stevie (and given Christine's music expertise), one could argue Stevie pulled more rank with Lindsey prior to their joining FM. Then, Christine's pedigree threw Stevie's personal credibility out the window. (No wonder Nicks was peeved at World Turning, her world had indeed turned.)

[Macfanforever]

Wow.a new cd,I remember from some of Stevie's interviews earlier this year say she wants to slow down for awhile ,backoff on touring any other things after this tour was over which i thought this tour was going to end after the first leg.personally I guess things change,I have no idea what she and FM are doing now ,but I hope they are taking a break to get some R&R. before going to europe in october.Yes If Christine records on the new cd, that will be awesome, I just want to hear her voice again with FM again.

[mylittledemon]

I don't see a new Fleetwood Mac album happening unless, sadly, Buckingham wants to do another one.

[Peestie]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I don't see a new Fleetwood Mac album happening unless, sadly, Buckingham wants to do another one.

I got the impression that he is the one that most wants to do a new album.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Also, I can see your point about Christine, but given LB's history with Stevie (and given Christine's music expertise), one could argue Stevie pulled more rank with Lindsey prior to their joining FM. Then, Christine's pedigree threw Stevie's personal credibility out the window. (No wonder Nicks was peeved at World Turning, her world had indeed turned.)

Cycles. With Christine gone Stevie pulls more rank now. I bet Lindsey doesn't see it that way, but he had more leverage before Chris left.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

All evidence supports this. In the Fleetwood Mac studio, Stevie was by accounts the little girl squirreling away in her fairy garden, with only occasional (& fruitless) attempts to command any attention.

I would say so, one of the more interesting lines I can remember is Christine saying that Stevie got her feelings hurt sometimes because while they were still working on the instrumentation, Stevie wanted to start singing and they would tell her that they were not ready for vocals yet. So, Stevie really had nothing to do.

And Stevie said that sometimes she would be in the sound studio and they would start working on a musical part together and forget about her for hours.

I always loved Stevie's joke about Lindsey working on Tusk by himself at home, because he probably didn't want to look through the glass and get distracted by her making signs and cheerleading in the background.

This has nothing to do with music, but I always thought it a representative moment when they are all in the bleachers for the Tusk video and Stevie is standing up waving and shouting and Lindsey tugs on her dress and tells her to sit down. Christine thought that was pretty funny.

Michele