Lack of Productivity Makes Fleetwood Mac Irrelevent.

[jedw]

Im sorry but lady Gaga is a waste of oxygen.

Dont get me wrong, I dislike arguments on forums where people wade in with their opinions and upset everyone. But come on.

its like saying your ringtone is the new Mozart.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by jedw

Im sorry but lady Gaga is a waste of oxygen.

Dont get me wrong, I dislike arguments on forums where people wade in with their opinions and upset everyone. But come on.

its like saying your ringtone is the new Mozart.

I like Just Dance. I saw her on DWTS and liked her fun performance. But comparing her to Stevie is like comparing noodles to peas. They have little in common. But to the OP, way to provoke a discussion!

[macpai]

You know what's also irrelevant? Spelling.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by macpai

You know what's also irrelevant? Spelling.

Sorry. My left pinky finger is broken. I'm doing the best I can over here.

[newyawka]

David: Yes, relevance is determined by the young. Jealous?

Onto other things...

While Lady GaGa is probably easier to compare to Madonna than Stevie Nicks in terms of musical style and fashion, I think it's Lady GaGa's originality and creativity that's comparable to Stevie and to me that's more important in an artist. I love Madonna, don't get me wrong, but Madonna is a product to me, she's not an artist. Stevie is an artist we can all agree on that, yes. Lady GaGa is an artist, as well. She thoughtfully takes the time out to create her own show, her own outfits, and her own songs. Just as Stevie does.

[trackaghost]

If relevance is only determined by the young than this is the most stupid argument ever. How many teenagers think 30-year-old bands are relevant in the first place?
As for Lady GaGa, she's been in the spotlight for a whole five months. Given the amount of fads and fashions that come and go, whether she'll be "relevant" in a year's time is very hard to determine. Most likely the press, bloggers and whoever decides these things these days, will move on to the next big thing. But I guess we'll see. As I've said before there have been plenty of singers who are momentarily relevant that saw that very quickly disappear despite their "artistry".
At the end of the day this thread is ridiculous. Lady GaGa has no connection whatsoever to Fleetwood Mac. I may as well start up 20 other threads comparing them to random artists. "Fleetwood Mac are not as relevant as MGMT" or "Fleetwood Mac are not as relevant as Lily Allen" etc, etc.

[David]

Originally Posted by newyawka

David: Yes, relevance is determined by the young. Jealous?

Well, yes.

I know you're just kidding with me, but I want to add one more point. Relevance as you define it -- what used to be known as flash-in-the-pan popularity -- isn't even determined by the young, strictly speaking. The young (what a weird noun) react to marketing. They go nuts for the singers whose cute faces are plastered all over the celebrity magazines. That's why the biggest sellers in pop are not & have never been the underground bands, because those bands don't have the publicity that Britney & Madonna have, which stretches around the globe & bombards young listeners with nonstop sounds & images. So we're left defining "relevance" as that which is marketed the most heavily. Publicity & public relations employees are the fundamental determiners in this matter. What a comforting thought!

I think pop culture has pulled the rug out from under us all.

Stevie is an artist we can all agree on that, yes.

No. I disagree.

[newyawka]

Originally Posted by David

That's why the biggest sellers in pop are not & have never been the underground bands, because those bands don't have the publicity that Britney & Madonna have, which stretches around the globe & bombards young listeners with nonstop sounds & images.

Lady GaGa began her career in the New York underground. Then she began writing pop songs about her life as an underground artist and made her claim to fame that way.

Originally Posted by skuncles

I watched as people actually debated as to who was better Madonna or Cyndi Lauper.

I would definately have to pick Cyndi Lauper in that debate.

[skuncles]

Originally Posted by newyawka

David: Yes, relevance is determined by the young. Jealous?

Onto other things...

While Lady GaGa is probably easier to compare to Madonna than Stevie Nicks in terms of musical style and fashion, I think it's Lady GaGa's originality and creativity that's comparable to Stevie and to me that's more important in an artist. I love Madonna, don't get me wrong, but Madonna is a product to me, she's not an artist. Stevie is an artist we can all agree on that, yes. Lady GaGa is an artist, as well. She thoughtfully takes the time out to create her own show, her own outfits, and her own songs. Just as Stevie does.

Ok to say that Madonna is not an artist is kind of stupid. Like her or hate her she opened up the door for others such as GaGa. Back before you were born there was a channel on cable called "MTV", it showed nothing but music videos. The channel is still on most cable boxes, but it has very little if any music content. But back in the day, MTV was ALL music 24/7 and music videos made up 98% of it's programming (the other 2% was music news and concerts). You would go to the school and discuss with your friends various videos you saw. Madonna came along with a new image for each video and she did a video for every single released. She wrote or co-wrote her songs, she produced or co-produced her albums and she came up with her image as well.
I'm not a huge Madonna fan, but trying to explain her to people who only know her from what she's done in the past five or ten years is nearly impossible. I was 12 when Madonna came out with "Borderline" so I watched how she went from nothing to having every girl in school dress like her and every guy wanting the girls to dress like her. I watched as people actually debated as to who was better Madonna or Cyndi Lauper. Watched as she came out with "Like A Prayer" and pissed off A LOT of people. An issue of Rolling Stone with Madonna on the cover actually caused a major uproar at my high school when the issue was removed from the school library because of a photo of Madonna inside, which was seen as inappropriate for teen agers to look at. Lady GaGa is far more in line with Madonna than Stevie. Stevie has even said that she could have been Madonna, but had no interest in that. I have a feeling that GaGa would rather be Madonna than Stevie.

[golddustdrummer]

Originally Posted by skuncles

Back before you were born there was a channel on cable called "MTV", it showed nothing but music videos. The channel is still on most cable boxes, but it has very little if any music content. But back in the day, MTV was ALL music 24/7 and music videos made up 98% of it's programming (the other 2% was music news and concerts). You would go to the school and discuss with your friends various videos you saw.

While I in no way agree with the whole Lady Gaga, Stevie Nicks comparison newyawka made...you are coming off as a little condescending. As someone in the age group of 18-25, I can say that not all of us are completely clueless as to what MTV used to be.