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Old 03-02-2009, 11:33 PM
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I'll be the first to say, that an (obviously) bogus setlist, and bombastic claims made this guy pretty weak in the "esteem" department. But I do have to say that Stevie was a tad weak last night. The lack of effort in Landslide (how CAN you almost miss a cue when it's just you and the guitarist?), the Dreams almost putting me to sleep, etc. But all that's perfectly normal for an opening night...I guess. Just because LB is on the top of his game doesnt mean Stevie's slumming it. I'm sure she'll hit her stride in the next couple shows.
You miss a cue when you're so overwhelmed by the audience's reaction that you lose your place.
I thought it was so endearing.
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:46 PM
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Why are there so many audio problems? There's a sound crew whose job is to make sure everything goes smoothly night after night. Problems occur from time to time to everyone, but is it my imagination or are there far more problems affecting Fleetwood Mac every year they go out?

And that in-ear monitor business Stevie is hooked up to is insane. In all the Mac & solo videos recently, she is constantly fiddling with it. I saw Mac in Anaheim in 2003 & she was fiddling with the damn thing much of the night. She was fiddling with it here in 2001 on her solo tour, too. What on earth is up with it? Obviously, the dumb thing doesn't work well, or doesn't fit her ear well, or something. It's like watching a teenager play with her cell phone in the mall. It's ridiculous for Nicks to be onstage performing & reaching for the device on her hip 300 times a night (unless that's how it's designed to be used?).

Could the problem be with her & not the device? Is she losing her hearing? It's not unheard of for rock stars to lose their hearing in old age.
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Why are there so many audio problems? There's a sound crew whose job is to make sure everything goes smoothly night after night. Problems occur from time to time to everyone, but is it my imagination or are there far more problems affecting Fleetwood Mac every year they go out?

And that in-ear monitor business Stevie is hooked up to is insane. In all the Mac & solo videos recently, she is constantly fiddling with it. I saw Mac in Anaheim in 2003 & she was fiddling with the damn thing much of the night. She was fiddling with it here in 2001 on her solo tour, too. What on earth is up with it? Obviously, the dumb thing doesn't work well, or doesn't fit her ear well, or something. It's like watching a teenager play with her cell phone in the mall. It's ridiculous for Nicks to be onstage performing & reaching for the device on her hip 300 times a night (unless that's how it's designed to be used?).

Could the problem be with her & not the device? Is she losing her hearing? It's not unheard of for rock stars to lose their hearing in old age.
It was ridiculous how many times she played with that ear piece last night. I agree that in general she fiddles with it too much, but she took it to a whole new level last night. At least if you need to adjust it here and there, be subtle about it. Don't adjust it between choruses for god's sake. No one enjoys seeing that sort of thing. It takes away from the whole performance aspect. It makes the whole thing seem all the more like a job/chore instead of what it's supposed to be.
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It was ridiculous how many times she played with that ear piece last night. I agree that in general she fiddles with it too much, but she took it to a whole new level last night. At least if you need to adjust it here and there, be subtle about it. Don't adjust it between choruses for god's sake. No one enjoys seeing that sort of thing. It takes away from the whole performance aspect. It makes the whole thing seem all the more like a job/chore instead of what it's supposed to be.
So you are upset cause she didn't sound good and you are upset because she tried to fix it?
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So you are upset cause she didn't sound good and you are upset because she tried to fix it?
I'm upset with pretty much every aspect of her performance last night. Well, disappointed, not upset. I have seen Stevie so many times and I can tell when she's into it and when she's not. But last night it seemed she was feeling nothing. It was such a "go through the motions" performance that it was almost sad. This is why I feel that it might be time for her to retire. I would rather remember her for the way that she was than how she is today. And by today, I mean literally today - 2009. I saw her with FM over a dozen times on the SYW tour and on the TV and GD tours of 2005, and she was excellent. Not as good as her prime years obviously, but still put on a good show with a passionate effort. Even on the CV tour, she put on a pretty good show. But seeing her last night seeming so devoid of feeling the words that she sings is so un-Stevie like. For those of you who have watched her for years, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with how fast she twirls or how hard she bangs that tambourine, but the feeling she sends out into the crowd while she's performing. She had that magic, no matter how she looked, what she was wearing, or how good or bad she might have been feeling. But that magic was no where to be found last night. She had zero chemistry with Lindsey and she rarely even looked at him. She just wasn't connecting with anything - not with the crowd, not with her band, not with her songs, and not with herself. As a long time fan, it was pretty disappointing.
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I'm upset with pretty much every aspect of her performance last night. Well, disappointed, not upset. I have seen Stevie so many times and I can tell when she's into it and when she's not. But last night it seemed she was feeling nothing. It was such a "go through the motions" performance that it was almost sad. This is why I feel that it might be time for her to retire. I would rather remember her for the way that she was than how she is today. And by today, I mean literally today - 2009. I saw her with FM over a dozen times on the SYW tour and on the TV and GD tours of 2005, and she was excellent. Not as good as her prime years obviously, but still put on a good show with a passionate effort. Even on the CV tour, she put on a pretty good show. But seeing her last night seeming so devoid of feeling the words that she sings is so un-Stevie like. For those of you who have watched her for years, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with how fast she twirls or how hard she bangs that tambourine, but the feeling she sends out into the crowd while she's performing. She had that magic, no matter how she looked, what she was wearing, or how good or bad she might have been feeling. But that magic was no where to be found last night. She had zero chemistry with Lindsey and she rarely even looked at him. She just wasn't connecting with anything - not with the crowd, not with her band, not with her songs, and not with herself. As a long time fan, it was pretty disappointing.

Scoop, I have no idea who you are and have had no interaction with you. But from this post alone, I will disagree with the many and deem you authentic and not a troll.

As if you give two rips what I think.



I've seen too many phoned in performances to think that your reaction is merely naysaying and dissing just to diss.
I get the impression that you really are a lifelong fan and you are going through the kind of thing I went through many many years ago.

I skipped the CV tour. And the Gold Dust tour, I think. I dunno. I can't remember anymore. I have seen so many shows it is very difficult to keep track anymore. I know there were a few shows I could have just drove 15 minutes to the Greek, got my comps and parking, gone backstage and done it all free. I couldn't be bothered.

But let me say this - I don't disbelieve a word of what you say.

SO many people are so enamored of Stevie (and her bank account thanks you for it) that she simply needs to show up and be alive for them to be thrilled. The expectations
are bottom of the barrel. I have been there. Just simply seeing her in person can be such a thrill, and such a fulfillment of a fantasy that all objectivity flies straight out the window.

Add to this the idea that she is this odd vessel that people project their own weaknesses and neuroses onto and you have an odd situation. People almost WANT her to be weak
and fragile. It fulfills some bizarre fantasy they have about her and themselves. "It's just nerves! It's only the first show! She must have had a bad day!"

It is a million and one excuses to make her seem more human and flawed in order to make her seem down to earth.

The fact is that she is, or should be, a professional. First and foremost. They had weeks of rehearsal. They should have a top notch sound and light crew. There is NO excuse for that monitor drama. No expense is spared, and they are asking for a king's ransom for each evening they perform. The ticket prices you people are paying reflect
that.

So should the audience expect perfection?

YES. Damn near, the audience should.

From people who have been doing this for a living for 40 years? Damn right they should expect perfect. Try flubbing **** and blowing lyrics and sleepwalking through a Broadway opening. 10 million gone. Show closed. Rock and Roll my ass. People expect professionals to be professionals. God knows my ass would be fired if my set sucked on the first shoot day.

Would Tina Turner's audience balk at her screwing up her dancing during Nutbush? Almost falling off as she scuttled across a scaffolding a few feet wide above the audience with no net?

Of course they would.

Would Madonna's audience howl and blog in horror if her dancing and interaction with her props and scenery looked clunky on the first night? Would they screech and hoot in disgust and call her a hack when they paid a fortune for a flawless performance?

You're damned right they would and with good reason.

They paid top dollar and expect a well rehearsed and professional show. No matter the fact that a mere human being is doing the performing. You demand over a hundred bucks for the privilege of watching you perform and you better damned well deliver.

For some incredibly screwed up reason, a lot of people love for Stevie to be weak. They sympathize, they love her for being nervous. They project their own shortcomings on her - being sick, being tired, being fat, you name it.
It humanizes her, but it also gives her carte blanche to turn in blase performances. Which she has done on and off for her entire career for various and sundry reasons.

Don't get me wrong. I have seen her be brilliant. And I ate it up and counted myself lucky. And I have seen her be dismal. Utterly dismal and unprofessional even in the past few years when purportedly sober.

There are lots of young fans here and even older ones who are still mesmerized by her every move. Of course her every gesture enthralls them. They are under the spell of her persona, which is still considerable. If I had a few bucks for every friend I drug to a show that intoxicated me and my guest said, "That's it?"



Love's a state of mind, indeed.

So, I don't fork over money anymore. I would rather remember the glory shows I have seen. I'm interested in
emotional involvement and full commitment in shows and performers.
Homegirl is just pulling a retirement paycheck these days and god bless her that she can. I hope she makes a few million on this tour, gets a kick ass face job from Catherine Deneuve's surgeon, gets truly inspired again, and does one more album.

Odds are highly against it but it would be a sweet coda to an uneven but fascinating career.

For now I've made my contribution to her bank account. Ten times over. I'm happy to watch the videos.

Thank you for your honest posts.

God knows people have chafed at mine over the years.

As for the performances...

Good god, Storms isn't supposed to be barked.

It ought to be whispered.

Points for effort, regardless.

Don't Stop made my teeth hurt. WTF with that hamhanded
piano from Tuggle?

And Rosie deserves a years late Emmy for her Stevie spinning impersonation on Arsenio Hall years ago.

The Stand Back spins from 3/1/09 confirmed her prophecy.

Slo Mo. Bored. Utterly disengaged.
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I really appreciate Sparky's post. I think I'm a bit more sympathetic but do agree how we FM and SN fans are often so intensely committed that we are unable of saying anything that might sound like critique.
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Scoop, I have no idea who you are and have had no interaction with you. But from this post alone, I will disagree with the many and deem you authentic and not a troll.

As if you give two rips what I think.



I've seen too many phoned in performances to think that your reaction is merely naysaying and dissing just to diss.
I get the impression that you really are a lifelong fan and you are going through the kind of thing I went through many many years ago.

I skipped the CV tour. And the Gold Dust tour, I think. I dunno. I can't remember anymore. I have seen so many shows it is very difficult to keep track anymore. I know there were a few shows I could have just drove 15 minutes to the Greek, got my comps and parking, gone backstage and done it all free. I couldn't be bothered.

But let me say this - I don't disbelieve a word of what you say.

SO many people are so enamored of Stevie (and her bank account thanks you for it) that she simply needs to show up and be alive for them to be thrilled. The expectations
are bottom of the barrel. I have been there. Just simply seeing her in person can be such a thrill, and such a fulfillment of a fantasy that all objectivity flies straight out the window.

Add to this the idea that she is this odd vessel that people project their own weaknesses and neuroses onto and you have an odd situation. People almost WANT her to be weak
and fragile. It fulfills some bizarre fantasy they have about her and themselves. "It's just nerves! It's only the first show! She must have had a bad day!"

It is a million and one excuses to make her seem more human and flawed in order to make her seem down to earth.

The fact is that she is, or should be, a professional. First and foremost. They had weeks of rehearsal. They should have a top notch sound and light crew. There is NO excuse for that monitor drama. No expense is spared, and they are asking for a king's ransom for each evening they perform. The ticket prices you people are paying reflect
that.

So should the audience expect perfection?

YES. Damn near, the audience should.

From people who have been doing this for a living for 40 years? Damn right they should expect perfect. Try flubbing **** and blowing lyrics and sleepwalking through a Broadway opening. 10 million gone. Show closed. Rock and Roll my ass. People expect professionals to be professionals. God knows my ass would be fired if my set sucked on the first shoot day.

Would Tina Turner's audience balk at her screwing up her dancing during Nutbush? Almost falling off as she scuttled across a scaffolding a few feet wide above the audience with no net?

Of course they would.

Would Madonna's audience howl and blog in horror if her dancing and interaction with her props and scenery looked clunky on the first night? Would they screech and hoot in disgust and call her a hack when they paid a fortune for a flawless performance?

You're damned right they would and with good reason.

They paid top dollar and expect a well rehearsed and professional show. No matter the fact that a mere human being is doing the performing. You demand over a hundred bucks for the privilege of watching you perform and you better damned well deliver.

For some incredibly screwed up reason, a lot of people love for Stevie to be weak. They sympathize, they love her for being nervous. They project their own shortcomings on her - being sick, being tired, being fat, you name it.
It humanizes her, but it also gives her carte blanche to turn in blase performances. Which she has done on and off for her entire career for various and sundry reasons.

Don't get me wrong. I have seen her be brilliant. And I ate it up and counted myself lucky. And I have seen her be dismal. Utterly dismal and unprofessional even in the past few years when purportedly sober.

There are lots of young fans here and even older ones who are still mesmerized by her every move. Of course her every gesture enthralls them. They are under the spell of her persona, which is still considerable. If I had a few bucks for every friend I drug to a show that intoxicated me and my guest said, "That's it?"



Love's a state of mind, indeed.

So, I don't fork over money anymore. I would rather remember the glory shows I have seen. I'm interested in
emotional involvement and full commitment in shows and performers.

Homegirl is just pulling a retirement paycheck these days and god bless her that she can. I hope she makes a few million on this tour, gets a kick ass face job from Catherine Deneuve's surgeon, gets truly inspired again, and does one more album.

Odds are highly against it but it would be a sweet coda to an uneven but fascinating career.

For now I've made my contribution to her bank account. Ten times over. I'm happy to watch the videos.

Thank you for your honest posts.

God knows people have chafed at mine over the years.

As for the performances...

Good god, Storms isn't supposed to be barked.

It ought to be whispered.

Points for effort, regardless.

Don't Stop made my teeth hurt. WTF with that hamhanded
piano from Tuggle?

And Rosie deserves a years late Emmy for her Stevie spinning impersonation on Arsenio Hall years ago.

The Stand Back spins from 3/1/09 confirmed her prophecy.

Slo Mo. Bored. Utterly disengaged.
Yes. 99% yes (the 1% is that I will be going to another show because unlike you, I can not stop myself). I have been saying the same thing since TISL. Stevie (for me) has been emotionally gone with few moments of interest for years. I like how scoop says it's not how hard she bangs her tambourine or how fast she spins- it's the fact that she is not emotionally present much anymore. It could be that those of us who have seen her in her glory days are comparing too harshly.

I'll go and I will find a moment of fabulousness with Stevie and try not to focus on her disinterest.
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Scoop, I have no idea who you are and have had no interaction with you. But from this post alone, I will disagree with the many and deem you authentic and not a troll.

As if you give two rips what I think.



I've seen too many phoned in performances to think that your reaction is merely naysaying and dissing just to diss.
I get the impression that you really are a lifelong fan and you are going through the kind of thing I went through many many years ago.

I skipped the CV tour. And the Gold Dust tour, I think. I dunno. I can't remember anymore. I have seen so many shows it is very difficult to keep track anymore. I know there were a few shows I could have just drove 15 minutes to the Greek, got my comps and parking, gone backstage and done it all free. I couldn't be bothered.

But let me say this - I don't disbelieve a word of what you say.

SO many people are so enamored of Stevie (and her bank account thanks you for it) that she simply needs to show up and be alive for them to be thrilled. The expectations
are bottom of the barrel. I have been there. Just simply seeing her in person can be such a thrill, and such a fulfillment of a fantasy that all objectivity flies straight out the window.

Add to this the idea that she is this odd vessel that people project their own weaknesses and neuroses onto and you have an odd situation. People almost WANT her to be weak
and fragile. It fulfills some bizarre fantasy they have about her and themselves. "It's just nerves! It's only the first show! She must have had a bad day!"

It is a million and one excuses to make her seem more human and flawed in order to make her seem down to earth.

The fact is that she is, or should be, a professional. First and foremost. They had weeks of rehearsal. They should have a top notch sound and light crew. There is NO excuse for that monitor drama. No expense is spared, and they are asking for a king's ransom for each evening they perform. The ticket prices you people are paying reflect
that.

So should the audience expect perfection?

YES. Damn near, the audience should.

From people who have been doing this for a living for 40 years? Damn right they should expect perfect. Try flubbing **** and blowing lyrics and sleepwalking through a Broadway opening. 10 million gone. Show closed. Rock and Roll my ass. People expect professionals to be professionals. God knows my ass would be fired if my set sucked on the first shoot day.

Would Tina Turner's audience balk at her screwing up her dancing during Nutbush? Almost falling off as she scuttled across a scaffolding a few feet wide above the audience with no net?

Of course they would.

Would Madonna's audience howl and blog in horror if her dancing and interaction with her props and scenery looked clunky on the first night? Would they screech and hoot in disgust and call her a hack when they paid a fortune for a flawless performance?

You're damned right they would and with good reason.

They paid top dollar and expect a well rehearsed and professional show. No matter the fact that a mere human being is doing the performing. You demand over a hundred bucks for the privilege of watching you perform and you better damned well deliver.

For some incredibly screwed up reason, a lot of people love for Stevie to be weak. They sympathize, they love her for being nervous. They project their own shortcomings on her - being sick, being tired, being fat, you name it.
It humanizes her, but it also gives her carte blanche to turn in blase performances. Which she has done on and off for her entire career for various and sundry reasons.

Don't get me wrong. I have seen her be brilliant. And I ate it up and counted myself lucky. And I have seen her be dismal. Utterly dismal and unprofessional even in the past few years when purportedly sober.

There are lots of young fans here and even older ones who are still mesmerized by her every move. Of course her every gesture enthralls them. They are under the spell of her persona, which is still considerable. If I had a few bucks for every friend I drug to a show that intoxicated me and my guest said, "That's it?"



Love's a state of mind, indeed.

So, I don't fork over money anymore. I would rather remember the glory shows I have seen. I'm interested in
emotional involvement and full commitment in shows and performers.
Homegirl is just pulling a retirement paycheck these days and god bless her that she can. I hope she makes a few million on this tour, gets a kick ass face job from Catherine Deneuve's surgeon, gets truly inspired again, and does one more album.

Odds are highly against it but it would be a sweet coda to an uneven but fascinating career.

For now I've made my contribution to her bank account. Ten times over. I'm happy to watch the videos.

Thank you for your honest posts.

God knows people have chafed at mine over the years.

As for the performances...

Good god, Storms isn't supposed to be barked.

It ought to be whispered.

Points for effort, regardless.

Don't Stop made my teeth hurt. WTF with that hamhanded
piano from Tuggle?

And Rosie deserves a years late Emmy for her Stevie spinning impersonation on Arsenio Hall years ago.

The Stand Back spins from 3/1/09 confirmed her prophecy.

Slo Mo. Bored. Utterly disengaged.
Reviewing a performance is fine with most , calling for her to end her career is absolute rubish and i think that is what bothered many people here.

BTW Broadway shows have enourmous amounts of practice and then do a run off broadway to work out the kinks. Many performers do flub their lines and often.

I have seen her on every tour since 95 and CV was her best performance of them all sorry you missed that one.
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Scoop, I have no idea who you are and have had no interaction with you. But from this post alone, I will disagree with the many and deem you authentic and not a troll.

As if you give two rips what I think.



I've seen too many phoned in performances to think that your reaction is merely naysaying and dissing just to diss.
I get the impression that you really are a lifelong fan and you are going through the kind of thing I went through many many years ago.

I skipped the CV tour. And the Gold Dust tour, I think. I dunno. I can't remember anymore. I have seen so many shows it is very difficult to keep track anymore. I know there were a few shows I could have just drove 15 minutes to the Greek, got my comps and parking, gone backstage and done it all free. I couldn't be bothered.

But let me say this - I don't disbelieve a word of what you say.

SO many people are so enamored of Stevie (and her bank account thanks you for it) that she simply needs to show up and be alive for them to be thrilled. The expectations
are bottom of the barrel. I have been there. Just simply seeing her in person can be such a thrill, and such a fulfillment of a fantasy that all objectivity flies straight out the window.

Add to this the idea that she is this odd vessel that people project their own weaknesses and neuroses onto and you have an odd situation. People almost WANT her to be weak
and fragile. It fulfills some bizarre fantasy they have about her and themselves. "It's just nerves! It's only the first show! She must have had a bad day!"

It is a million and one excuses to make her seem more human and flawed in order to make her seem down to earth.

The fact is that she is, or should be, a professional. First and foremost. They had weeks of rehearsal. They should have a top notch sound and light crew. There is NO excuse for that monitor drama. No expense is spared, and they are asking for a king's ransom for each evening they perform. The ticket prices you people are paying reflect
that.

So should the audience expect perfection?

YES. Damn near, the audience should.

From people who have been doing this for a living for 40 years? Damn right they should expect perfect. Try flubbing **** and blowing lyrics and sleepwalking through a Broadway opening. 10 million gone. Show closed. Rock and Roll my ass. People expect professionals to be professionals. God knows my ass would be fired if my set sucked on the first shoot day.

Would Tina Turner's audience balk at her screwing up her dancing during Nutbush? Almost falling off as she scuttled across a scaffolding a few feet wide above the audience with no net?

Of course they would.

Would Madonna's audience howl and blog in horror if her dancing and interaction with her props and scenery looked clunky on the first night? Would they screech and hoot in disgust and call her a hack when they paid a fortune for a flawless performance?

You're damned right they would and with good reason.

They paid top dollar and expect a well rehearsed and professional show. No matter the fact that a mere human being is doing the performing. You demand over a hundred bucks for the privilege of watching you perform and you better damned well deliver.

For some incredibly screwed up reason, a lot of people love for Stevie to be weak. They sympathize, they love her for being nervous. They project their own shortcomings on her - being sick, being tired, being fat, you name it.
It humanizes her, but it also gives her carte blanche to turn in blase performances. Which she has done on and off for her entire career for various and sundry reasons.

Don't get me wrong. I have seen her be brilliant. And I ate it up and counted myself lucky. And I have seen her be dismal. Utterly dismal and unprofessional even in the past few years when purportedly sober.

There are lots of young fans here and even older ones who are still mesmerized by her every move. Of course her every gesture enthralls them. They are under the spell of her persona, which is still considerable. If I had a few bucks for every friend I drug to a show that intoxicated me and my guest said, "That's it?"



Love's a state of mind, indeed.

So, I don't fork over money anymore. I would rather remember the glory shows I have seen. I'm interested in
emotional involvement and full commitment in shows and performers.
Homegirl is just pulling a retirement paycheck these days and god bless her that she can. I hope she makes a few million on this tour, gets a kick ass face job from Catherine Deneuve's surgeon, gets truly inspired again, and does one more album.

Odds are highly against it but it would be a sweet coda to an uneven but fascinating career.

For now I've made my contribution to her bank account. Ten times over. I'm happy to watch the videos.

Thank you for your honest posts.

God knows people have chafed at mine over the years.

As for the performances...

Good god, Storms isn't supposed to be barked.

It ought to be whispered.

Points for effort, regardless.

Don't Stop made my teeth hurt. WTF with that hamhanded
piano from Tuggle?

And Rosie deserves a years late Emmy for her Stevie spinning impersonation on Arsenio Hall years ago.

The Stand Back spins from 3/1/09 confirmed her prophecy.

Slo Mo. Bored. Utterly disengaged.
Great post Sparky.....I'd agree with alot of it about Stevie....having been a fan myself some 20 yrs plus.....I've seen her solo 6 times & 3 times with Mac.....I don't like the phoned in performances either....personally the last 2 times I saw her for CV (07 &08)....she did all the right moves for every song etc....but it all seemed so staged and emotionless for me. Than her comments last yr about fans stealing her music really got to me...& this was before I was to see her last yr.....It all has left a bad taste in my mouth so to speak. I wasn't excited about seeing her than....& well I'm not seeing them this tour or if Stevie solo's again either. The set list things bothers me as well as the high ticket prices. I also have contributed to her bank acct (as well as Mac members) so.....I've decided to stop going. I can see things here etc. The live concert show lacks to me anymore. Esp when performers don't really want to be there on stage ......I have no more illusions about Stevie anymore or Mac.....All things should be set for this tour & for major issues to occur isn't right to all that have paid the high prices for it. Personally, why should Stevie have any nerves....how long has she been performing???? Really.....I can see the moment she walks out on stage but it should be gone than.....it's like she has done this most 'all' of ther life. No excuses here. Yes performers have off nights but opening night?? Interesting......I'm sure it will get better .....I do hope so for all that are going.....but from what I've seen on Youtube.....it doesn't look like I'm missing alot......but do enjoy yourselfs and I will enjoy reading your posts. I agree that this board is for discussing all things Mac/Stevie and its good to agree to disagree no matter how many posts a person has. The opinion is what matters......I have no rose colored glass in regards to Stevie or Fmac......no long nets of white cloud my memory......Its all good and it is what it is..........
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You know what makes it all great? Every fan has a different way of expressing their fandom. I can understand what Scoop and Sparky are saying. For me, the resaon I am going as much as I am now is that I never had the chance to do so back in the late 70's and 80's because I was either too young or didnt have enough money.
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You know what makes it all great? Every fan has a different way of expressing their fandom. I can understand what Scoop and Sparky are saying. For me, the resaon I am going as much as I am now is that I never had the chance to do so back in the late 70's and 80's because I was either too young or didnt have enough money.
What did you think of the opening night show? Did you feel something was "off?" Did you think the while show was incredible?
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I'm upset with pretty much every aspect of her performance last night. Well, disappointed, not upset. I have seen Stevie so many times and I can tell when she's into it and when she's not. But last night it seemed she was feeling nothing. It was such a "go through the motions" performance that it was almost sad. This is why I feel that it might be time for her to retire. I would rather remember her for the way that she was than how she is today. And by today, I mean literally today - 2009. I saw her with FM over a dozen times on the SYW tour and on the TV and GD tours of 2005, and she was excellent. Not as good as her prime years obviously, but still put on a good show with a passionate effort. Even on the CV tour, she put on a pretty good show. But seeing her last night seeming so devoid of feeling the words that she sings is so un-Stevie like. For those of you who have watched her for years, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with how fast she twirls or how hard she bangs that tambourine, but the feeling she sends out into the crowd while she's performing. She had that magic, no matter how she looked, what she was wearing, or how good or bad she might have been feeling. But that magic was no where to be found last night. She had zero chemistry with Lindsey and she rarely even looked at him. She just wasn't connecting with anything - not with the crowd, not with her band, not with her songs, and not with herself. As a long time fan, it was pretty disappointing.
In reading everyone's thoughts and opinions, I for one am very impressed that everyone is going through the motions of being extremely thorough on what they are saying. We all have to remember that everyone is entitled to their opinions, as we all have different tastes and different likes, and as someone said, to get mad at someone who has a different opinion then we do, is like getting mad at someone who doesn't like the same restaurant as you, or have the same taste in clothing, everyone is different. I respect that, and appreciate everyone's stance on Stevie and the Mac. To me, Stevie is a spectacular 60+ year old artist, who I've adored since the 70's, and not only she has changed, but I've changed as well! In those 30 some odd years of listening to her, we've all been through one hell of a lot of changes with her! We all have to remember this too! I'm just glad that she is still touring, on key, off key, twirling in slow motion, good days, bad days.. we ALL have them! Anyway, my bottom line is, I guess I'm just glad to see that there's some maturity among a civil discussion, and for what it's worth, thanks for everyone's input!

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Could the problem be with her & not the device? Is she losing her hearing? It's not unheard of for rock stars to lose their hearing in old age.
Certainly it's not. Mick has lost his hearing after all. Yes, there was one song where Stevie sang it with BOTH of her hands up to her ears for a few minutes. I don't remember what it was, but it was like she was making headphones out of the palm of her hands and that was the only gesture we were getting from her for about a minute, as she sang. Kind of funny actually. Like she was pretending to be the "Hear No Evil" monkey.

I do think there was something wrong with the sound last night, because I could hardly hear the woman on Monday Morning and The Chain. I wouldn't have known she was there if my eyes were closed. After that it could have been all in her imagination.

Oh Tango, what you said about some songs that ought to be chained up is priceless. So funny.
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You miss a cue when you're so overwhelmed by the audience's reaction that you lose your place.
I thought it was so endearing.
You don't want to be sooooooo 'professional' in rock 'n' roll that you lose emotional and spontaneous moments like this!!! That's what it's all about.......
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