What do you think of the new dvd and rumours reissue?

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by SaidSomething

I think...and it's just a hunch...

That Stevie...is still bound to a Warner Contract for so many albums and such. This happened with Modern. She wanted out because they gave "hits" that she didn't want...but, because of the dotted line...she was forced to record stuff she didn't want to.

With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc... She's fulfilling her contract without giving them one damn song. In a lot of ways I don't blame her. Didn't she write something about this? It's like Warner Bros/Reprise...whatever...was like, "...ok Stevie, you're older...you were heavy for a couple of years...so here, we're doing you a big favor...sign this contract and we'll make your records...oh, and by the way...we need your soul too..."

The music (or any entertainment...trust me I was a small time constistantly working actor in L.A) leaders are as corrupt as Bush.

I wonder if the Mac is bound too?

I'll bet once the contract is dissolved, completed or bought out...and she (or the Mac) is with a strong label that gives it's artists like them more creative conrol...we'll hear more "masterpieces"

Glaring example..."Sometimes it's a Bitch"

or... say one her demos like "Blue Water" was given up for an album. It goes from a pretty simple song with a nice melody...into something Grungelike...sounding like a "Dead Kennedys" song.

My opinon...
...artists constantly need a creative, imaginative outlet...and if they don't have it...they burst with their thoughts, feelings, emotions, pain and everthing...and wind up into drinks or drugs or into a padded bin...believe me...I know that much.

The only greatest hits package that Stevie released under Warner was Crystal Visions, and the Enchanted boxed set was her final release under Modern, so what are you referring to when you say "With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc..." when in fact, as a solo artist, she's only released one under the Warner label?

[LukeA]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

The only greatest hits package that Stevie released under Warner was Crystal Visions, and the Enchanted boxed set was her final release under Modern, so what are you referring to when you say "With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc..." when in fact, as a solo artist, she's only released one under the Warner label?

That, and the fact that Stevie (as well as Fleetwood Mac & Lindsey) doesn't owe WBR anything.

[SaidSomething]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

The only greatest hits package that Stevie released under Warner was Crystal Visions, and the Enchanted boxed set was her final release under Modern, so what are you referring to when you say "With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc..." when in fact, as a solo artist, she's only released one under the Warner label?

Warner, Reprise and all its subsidaries fall under the umbrella of the same binding artist's contract. So, and I'm not arguing...I could very well be wrong... 1 Trouble in Shangrila 2. Crystal Vistions Dvd+CD 3. Crystal Visions CD only (things may have changed but 2 and 3 actually equal 3 releases the dvd is one the cd is two and the seperately packaged cd only makes three) Soon, Soundstage (and all the seperate versions being released) Live in Chicago etc...they all add up individually per disk and package...etc...

She, in my opinon, will have fulfilled the "releases" obligation and then start fresh.

Like I said, I could be wrong. It's, as I first stated, what I have a hunch of.

[LukeA]

Originally Posted by SaidSomething

Warner, Reprise and all its subsidaries fall under the umbrella of the same binding artist's contract. So, and I'm not arguing...I could very well be wrong... 1 Trouble in Shangrila 2. Crystal Vistions Dvd+CD 3. Crystal Visions CD only (things may have changed but 2 and 3 actually equal 3 releases the dvd is one the cd is two and the seperately packaged cd only makes three) Soon, Soundstage (and all the seperate versions being released) Live in Chicago etc...they all add up individually per disk and package...etc...

She, in my opinon, will have fulfilled the "releases" obligation and then start fresh.

Like I said, I could be wrong. It's, as I first stated, what I have a hunch of.

The Fall 2002 "Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac" 2 CD package was part of the concession for the band to get their obscenely large (not as much in terms of the dollar amount, but for what they deserved) advance for the recording sessions/release of "Say You Will". While the album did not fully recoup, those obligations are completely fulfilled. Everything else the band has done (from "The Dance" onward) have been one-off deals with the label without any future obligations.

When WBR releases something like Crystal Visions, its because Stevie wants it to be released. Its a win-win for all involved- mining the catalogue with little to no overhead/promotion... a far easier sell (and, nine times out of ten, more profitable) than a new studio album. Don't blame WBR- blame lazy-ass Stevie.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by LukeA

The Fall 2002 "Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac" 2 CD package was part of the concession for the band to get their obscenely large (not as much in terms of the dollar amount, but for what they deserved) advance for the recording sessions/release of "Say You Will". While the album did not fully recoup, those obligations are completely fulfilled. Everything else the band has done (from "The Dance" onward) have been one-off deals with the label without any future obligations.

When WBR releases something like Crystal Visions, its because Stevie wants it to be released. Its a win-win for all involved- mining the catalogue with little to no overhead/promotion... a far easier sell (and, nine times out of ten, more profitable) than a new studio album. Don't blame WBR- blame lazy-ass Stevie.

Really? Labels are notorious for releasing compilations. It's far more cheaper to go into a catalogue for material than it is to put money into recording studios, musicians, photos and promotions for a new cd...

[DigYourGrave]

I think I'll probably buy it.

Although, I do feel, at this stage, they could give us something new to work with, theres only so many times I can look through my itunes library and see like 15 different choices of Silver Springs to listen to. :P

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Really? Labels are notorious for releasing compilations. It's far more cheaper to go into a catalogue for material than it is to put money into recording studios, musicians, photos and promotions for a new cd...

I completely agree, you hit it spot on!

Look at Stevie's Soundstage CD and DVD. Even though it's not a new studio album, it had to be recorded, mixed and edited, packaged, and soon it will be released. Making her Soundstage release was probably almost as expensive as making a new studio album, because look at all the $$ that goes into it. Even renting the space to record it (Grainger Studio), and paying all the musicians and back-up singers, it all adds up and it has to be worth it in the end if they (Warner) are confident enough to spend the money on all of it.

[LukeA]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

Making her Soundstage release was probably almost as expensive as making a new studio album, because look at all the $$ that goes into it.

Uh....... NO.

If you were to compare the costs between the Soundstage production and the cumulative costs of recording & promoting Trouble In Shangri-La, it approaches ten times as much.

[Dan B.]

Another Rumours reissue with that much material could be good, but I would have much rather had expanded Mirage and Tango sets.

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by LukeA

Uh....... NO.

If you were to compare the costs between the Soundstage production and the cumulative costs of recording & promoting Trouble In Shangri-La, it approaches ten times as much.

Uh.....YES.

Soundstage is not only an audio production, but it is also a visual production. The show that eventually aired had to be filmed and edited, plus the airtime had to be purchased, and it aired multiple times. I didn't say it was the same amount of money, but i said it is probably almost as much because of how much time and money actually went into it.

[SaidSomething]

Originally Posted by LukeA

The Fall 2002 "Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac" 2 CD package was part of the concession for the band to get their obscenely large (not as much in terms of the dollar amount, but for what they deserved) advance for the recording sessions/release of "Say You Will". While the album did not fully recoup, those obligations are completely fulfilled. Everything else the band has done (from "The Dance" onward) have been one-off deals with the label without any future obligations.

When WBR releases something like Crystal Visions, its because Stevie wants it to be released. Its a win-win for all involved- mining the catalogue with little to no overhead/promotion... a far easier sell (and, nine times out of ten, more profitable) than a new studio album. Don't blame WBR- blame lazy-ass Stevie.

Lazy-ass Stevie...

You know, you're probably right. At her show here in Boston last Summer...I was due to go and say, "hi" as I haven't seen her face to face since the 90s...no she didn't forget me or say I couldn't come. Things were so busy and there was a long line. I spoke with Jimmy and Al...and others. I felt that her meeting with "Make a Wish" folks and meeting with others that were terminally ill or in wheelchairs or anyone that "really needed to see her" to somehow, help them rise above...that my stupid little, "hey, again...whatcha been up to?" Wasn't urgent. She arrived very early...she (I heard) left very late becasue of her "important" visits. A lot of people probably don't know about what reallly goes on back there. She gives back...she reaches out...and she prays. She's scared and sad as hell sometimes. But, her lazy ass heart is bigger than a lot of anyone will ever know. Some know of her visits to the sick or wounded or "charity" work...most have NO idea. She doesn't call the local news...bring along the press...etc. Backstage, the act is over...and she comes down from her high boots...and spends as much time as possible with those that "urgently need her".

One thought I've had...

How much time does she take off from the road to be lazy ass? She's pretty much been consistantally on a tour since 1996.

Everyone knows when recording has begun for a new record...or do they?

I just have a hunch that she remains busy...does not take her fame, money or luxuries for granted...and in her gratitude she returns the love she recieves in different ways...quietly.

I don't feel much like rattling on about this subject anymore.

After all, I'm not in Stevie's negotiation meetings everyday.

[kennation]

I don't want to start anything, but Stevie is not a lazy ass. Between Charity, Fleetwood Mac, and her solo career I do not see how she has time for much else. Stevie has my vote- always will!