Which Members in Rock HOF?

[Ms Moose]

Originally Posted by slipkid

Not only are the Small Faces not in the RnR HoF, neither are The Faces. I know we're talking about Bob Welch's snub, but this is ridiculous! For all these years I thought at least the Faces were in, but it was only Rod Stewart (I just looked it up). Screw 'em! Ronnie Lane and Steve Marriot deserve their place in the hall.

I am shocked to learn that The Small Faces are not in the Rn R HoF. They were a great band!

Ms Moose

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by Ms Moose

I am shocked to learn that The Small Faces are not in the Rn R HoF. They were a great band!

Ms Moose

I know in the UK and Europe, the Small Faces had recognition. In America, the Faces made a larger impact, on the level of Yes, or Deep Purple (MKII). All three bands (including Jethro Tull) are seen as a joke to the RnR idiot voters. The Small Faces may make it years from now just like the Dave Clark Five. Apologies to Steve Marriot, but I always thought the Ron Wood, Ronnie Lane, Ian MacClagan, Kenny Jones, and Rod Stewart version of this band was gold!

[Wouter Vuijk]

Originally Posted by slipkid

I always thought the Ron Wood, Ronnie Lane, Ian MacClagan, Kenny Jones, and Rod Stewart version of this band was gold!

True, but Steve Marriott was platinum

[Wouter Vuijk]

Originally Posted by slipkid

In America, the Faces made a larger impact, on the level of Yes, or Deep Purple (MKII).

As far as I know, MKII is te second album by Steamhammer, not the strongest however. First (Reflection) and third (Mountains) were much better. A band with a fantastic singer (Kieran White) and two great guitar players (Martin Pugh and MartinQuittenton).

[jbrownsjr]

This saddens me to no end... I will never be able to justify in my head the politics and bullsh*t that the RR hall has put out....

The problem is... they only look at $$ that's all they care about... gee there's a big surprise...

Rush isn't even in the hall of fame... they still contribute to rock and roll... albums and touring internationally...

it's all a bunch of bull**** to me... and I have no respect for that building nor the panel that votes... none... period... end of story...

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

As far as I know, MKII is te second album by Steamhammer, not the strongest however. First (Reflection) and third (Mountains) were much better. A band with a fantastic singer (Kieran White) and two great guitar players (Martin Pugh and MartinQuittenton).

Wouter, I'm sorry for the miscommunication. When I typed MKII I meant the second and most famous version of Deep Purple (1969-1973). That was Ian Gillan, Ritchie Blackmore, Jon Lord, Roger Glover, and Ian Paice. In english it's known as "Mark II".

[Ms Moose]

Originally Posted by slipkid

I know in the UK and Europe, the Small Faces had recognition. In America, the Faces made a larger impact, on the level of Yes, or Deep Purple (MKII). All three bands (including Jethro Tull) are seen as a joke to the RnR idiot voters. The Small Faces may make it years from now just like the Dave Clark Five. Apologies to Steve Marriot, but I always thought the Ron Wood, Ronnie Lane, Ian MacClagan, Kenny Jones, and Rod Stewart version of this band was gold!

The Faces were great too, and Rod Stewart et. al. took the music somewhere else. I have a soft spot for british music in the sixties though. Steve Marriot was The British Soul Singer par excellence much the same way that the british blues players made their own version of the blues. But Small Faces are often looked upon as "pop" which is far from the truth.
(I am sorry I know this is The Pre-Rumours section)

Ms Moose

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by Ms Moose

The Faces were great too, and Rod Stewart et. al. took the music somewhere else. I have a soft spot for british music in the sixties though. Steve Marriot was The British Soul Singer par excellence much the same way that the british blues players made their own version of the blues. But Small Faces are often looked upon as "pop" which is far from the truth.
(I am sorry I know this is The Pre-Rumours section)

Ms Moose

There's no question that Steve Marriot was quite a talent. I'd love to have a singer with his voice in my rock band (if I were to form one ). I always had a Stax records vibe to early Small Faces, so I agree they weren't pop in the strictest sense. However by Ogden's Nut Gone Flake they were certainly in rock territory. "Tin Soldier" could've easily been on the first Faces album. I think for the states the band was just too British. One of their best songs "Lazy Sunday" just wouldn't translate well over here. Personally, the Anglophile in me just eats up that stuff.

[chiliD]

For US audiences, I think Steve Marriott would be better recognized (for HoF purposes) for his work with Humble Pie. (now there's a band that is HoF worthy!!!)

[Ms Moose]

Originally Posted by slipkid

There's no question that Steve Marriot was quite a talent. I'd love to have a singer with his voice in my rock band (if I were to form one ). I always had a Stax records vibe to early Small Faces, so I agree they weren't pop in the strictest sense. However by Ogden's Nut Gone Flake they were certainly in rock territory. "Tin Soldier" could've easily been on the first Faces album. I think for the states the band was just too British. One of their best songs "Lazy Sunday" just wouldn't translate well over here. Personally, the Anglophile in me just eats up that stuff.

Yes Small Faces were very british! 'Lazy Sunday' is very very very british . It is like a music-hall song, really. But Steve Marriotts background was in theatre as a child actor/singer in that tradition.

They did an early version of 'You need Loving' which Led Zeppelin ripped of years later ('Whole Lotta Love') - exactly the same. It was on You Tube a while back. I have tried to find it for you but unfortunately it has been erased

Ms Moose

[michelej1]

This from a recent blog in the Times Union by J. Eric Smith, 1-31-09

http://blogs.timesunion.com/jericsmith/?p=379

I picked up a copy of Fleetwood Mac’s Future Games, probably my favorite of their albums, and one which I’d never seen in digital format before. Danny Kirwan was a genius guitar player and songwriter who got lost in the historical mix between the Peter Green/Jeremy Spencer and Lindsey Buckingham/Stevie Nicks eras. Future Games has what I consider to be his two finest songs: “Sands of Time” and “Woman of 1000 Years.” The album also marks Bob Welch’s debut with the band, and he purports himself well on the lovely and uplifting title track and the ripsnorting “Lay It All Down.” Christine McVie adds all the class that she normally does, especially on “Show Me A Smile,” which really should have been a bigger hit than (yuck) “Rhiannon.”

For the record: I will not go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame until they admit Welch as a member of Fleetwood Mac. It’s a travesty that they excluded him, since he’s the one who kept things going after Kirwan flamed out and before Buckingham-Nicks arrived. Stupid, unjust and arbitrary. I want no part of that.

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

This from a recent blog in the Times Union by J. Eric Smith, 1-31-09

For the record: I will not go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame until they admit Welch as a member of Fleetwood Mac. It’s a travesty that they excluded him, since he’s the one who kept things going after Kirwan flamed out and before Buckingham-Nicks arrived. Stupid, unjust and arbitrary. I want no part of that.

A lot of bloggers say that & a lot of Ledgies say it, too. But "keeping the band together" isn't a criterion of admission, obviously. The music itself seems to be the criterion, & the voting board that year stated that the Green band & the Buckingham band were the only two groups who deserved on aesthetic grounds. (See Robert Hilburn's comments at the time.)

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by David

A lot of bloggers say that & a lot of Ledgies say it, too. But "keeping the band together" isn't a criterion of admission, obviously. The music itself seems to be the criterion, & the voting board that year stated that the Green band & the Buckingham band were the only two groups who deserved on aesthetic grounds. (See Robert Hilburn's comments at the time.)

Robert Hillburn is no judge of artistic merit...he's a hack. A well-known hack. Just because he writes for the LA Times doesn't mean his opinion is worth more than a pile of beagle diarrhea. I hate him...hated reading every one of his pompous self-grandizing articles in the Calendar (or as I call it, the "Collander") section...the Times Sunday "fish wrap" section.