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Old 01-15-2009, 03:27 AM
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Everyone who contributed to this thread has made at least one good point, even if they're not all in perfect agreement. After all, there's only so much we know.

The last time I saw PG in person was during the early 80's, so yes it has been a while. Saw him twice during that time (and yes I am aware of Pete's relapse shortly thereafter). Each time it damn near ripped my heart out. Not because I didn't know the storyline, or because I set my expectations too high. It's just I couldn't put the most basic points together, or tell if Peter even wanted to be there. This didn't make me think less of the man, as he had already achieved icon status, something most artists can only dream of. But it did leave me with a lot more questions than answers, starting with: was he was doing this for others, or were others were doing this for him?

I think there is a general consensus that Greenie did considerably better later, and may still be doing pretty good as we speak. I've seen selected video clips that seem to bear this out. If he is enjoying himself, then few things matter more, as has been stated. But even into the nineties, I've seen footage and read interviews where he doesn't seem to be fully in prime time. Maybe that, weighed against what I witnessed earlier, helps create the end image that I'm no longer certain what to expect (aka WYSIWYG). Peter does have a lot of pride; after all, he made his name as a trailblazer and top notch blues guitarist. But I'd be a lot more comfortable knowing he isn't being used or played, and this suspicion was compounded when I saw PG walk away from the stage but once again in recent years after many things seemed to be going his way. Only this time, it wasn't exit stage left as before, but back into retirement.

Whether this was from burnout, or a lack of motivation, or his medication(s) getting in the way, I'm not sure. But even with his resurgence in the Splinter Group, the fact that that unit released nine albums in less than that many years sort of hints of a money grab to me. And if there is one thing we ALL know, Peter isn't into green manalishi! I don't mean to cast aspersions recklessly, as those closest around him have also clearly helped him. In fairness, I suppose this remains a two way street in a number of ways, and any of those profiting off of his name and talent at this point may deem it to be perfectly fair and justifiable, since they comprise his inner circle and support arm, and do what they can to keep him in good stead. C'est la vie.

As for his newfangled style, I agree with many here that Peter has always understood, clearer and more poignantly than most, that less is often more. Then again, this same approach goes back to his Mayall and Mac days too, though things often ramped to more fiery levels in those supercharged days. That's not to say I don't appreciate the riff graffiti of Alvin Lee, or the clear-as-bell tones of Eric Johnson, or the acoustic fretwork of Tommy Emmanuel, or the lit fuse of Stevie Ray Vaughan now and again. But there is also clearly a time and place for the tasteful paucity of a Peter Green, or syncopated phrasing of a Harvey Mandel. In that regard, to each their own as it's all good.

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Old 01-15-2009, 01:40 PM
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But even with his resurgence in the Splinter Group, the fact that that unit released nine albums in less than that many years sort of hints of a money grab to me. And if there is one thing we ALL know, Peter isn't into green manalishi!
Haha, I like your "manalishi" comment. Yeah, nine albums is a lot.. but I guess it also means that Peter's health in the late 90s and early 2000s has been enormously improved, compared to his days with Kolors. Splinter Group's work load and touring could never have happened in the 80s.

And I guess it's a give-and-take situation really. I mean: Where would Nigel be today without Peter? And where would Peter be today without Nigel?

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I'm not so sure about those "solvings" my friend. I'm 99.9 percent certain you and others may be fooling yourselves with such clarity. Snowy and Nigel have both mastered the art of imitation, it's been part of their jobs. That trump card can be pulled out as needed. I won't try to debate on just how much of PG you're hearing at any given time in the post Mac recordings, but trust me it's not always as black and white as it may seem, and far from a duckshoot to decipher. Those who think it is are into wishful thinking. The same can be said for Danny Kirwan years earlier, who possessed the talent to trade licks with - and imitate in many ways - Pete at the end.
Ah, I bet you haven't even bothered to look up those posts!!
Peter's approach is unique!! Mayall said recently that he's one of few players who only have to take a couple of notes, to be recognized. It's true!!!
Nigel Watson?!?! A former plumber (or whatever)?!?! As Vinnie said: "...he ain't got it." Their guitar styles are as different as their voices.
This sort of thing always puzzles me... if people can't distinguish Peter Green from any other guitar wannabe ... then what's the big thing about Peter Green then?? Why would he be so special then to those people???

It always bothers me to read album reviews that go like this:
Peter Green really does a great guitar solo on You'll Be Sorry Someday..." Those reviewers haven't got a clue, as he doesn't play guitar solo on that track.
So, name any SG track, and I'll tell you who's who!

I get the impression you admire Danny more than Peter. And I agree, Danny needs much more recognition! Though, as much as I really adore Danny (both as guitar player and songwriter), I always find that Peter is dimentions above him! As for them trading licks, I've no trouble identifying who's who! The two have completely different styles!! True, they both developed until the "end" in 1970, but I have most bootlegs from that era and the two are actually very different! Listening to bootleg live recordings of for example Rattlesnake Shake/Madge Jams ... you can always identify who's taking lead and who's doing rhythm .. same when they're trading licks!

Btw Snoot, that's a wonderful photo!! Never seen it!! Thanks a lot!!

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Old 01-15-2009, 02:08 PM
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I get the impression you admire Danny more than Peter. And I agree, Danny needs much more recognition! Though, as much as I really adore Danny (both as guitar player and songwriter), I always find that Peter is dimentions above him!
Oh no! Here we go again, and I'm not helping this time! I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines.


Howabout a Mike Bloomfield vs. Peter Green debate instead?
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:24 PM
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Oh no! Here we go again, and I'm not helping this time! I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines.
Hahah, thanks! You know, I didn't take part in that last discussion, so I'll have a go here!!
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Old 01-15-2009, 06:30 PM
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I think we enthusiastic...obsessive Greeny fans on The Ledge recognise Peter's playing better than most music journalists. Splinter Group - no problem at all, really. Snowy White is a really good imitator (and beyond) though. "Seven Stars" - still wondering if that is Peter or Snowy.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:35 PM
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Hi again Blue Horizon!
Thanks for sharing your memories.

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I think we enthusiastic...obsessive Greeny fans on The Ledge recognise Peter's playing better than most music journalists. Splinter Group - no problem at all, really. Snowy White is a really good imitator (and beyond) though. "Seven Stars" - still wondering if that is Peter or Snowy.
Exactly! Even the guy who wrote the (incredibly boring) sleeve notes to the Peter Green Anthology box got it wrong! John Crosby doesn't have a clue writing about Don't Walk Away: "...the closing guitar solo into a thing of wonder as Green's guitar soars away into the kind of cosmic narrative he first exhibited on The Supernatural."
Wrong!! Peter's playing the acoustic guitar solo in the middle. It's Nigel pouring out his poor soul at the end!

And yes, "Seven Stars" is difficult...

Btw didn't the Salvo people say that the booklet would contain photos of Peter's own drawings and artwork? I seem to remember that they wrote in another post that Peter had given them some drawings.. I could be wrong...

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Old 01-16-2009, 03:44 AM
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"Seven Stars" - always been 80% sure this was Snowy, similar playing style to his Bird of Paradise era work, but could be wrong!
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Hmmm a really interesting thread this one...........anyway here's my take on post Mac Peter Green.
Like some of you lucky people I lost count of the number of times I saw FM with Peter at the helm and when my guitar hero called it a day with the Mac I was devastated to say the Least!
The last gig I went to before Peter really started to show outward signs that all was not well health wise was the 1970 Bath festival when he joined John Mayall. The Bootleg recording of that gig is awful but I can assure you the band and Pete's guitar playing was outstanding.
Fast Forward to the early 80's and Peter's first proper comeback gig was at the Golden Lion Pub in Fulham, London. The Place was packed out as you can imagine but alas what a disappointment it turned out to be for all those Punters who came to see PG as they remembered him with FM. The Guy was totally out of it and should never have been on the stage....I felt so sorry for him and came away from the place feeling angry that the people around him at that point in time were using him and his legacy to their advantage and had completely disregarded his mental state and health.
I cannot recall how long it was before I had the next opportunity to see 'my guitar hero' but I just had to go with the hope that what I witnessed at the Golden Lion was a One Off....bad day at the office type thing. This Gig was at the Tolworth community centre (South West London/Surrey) and what a transformation! Peter for better not worse (high on something or totally clean?) was on FIRE that night with his guitar chops and vocals well and truely nailed. I remember him playing and singing a stunning 'Need Your Love so Bad' and 'Man of the World'. I really could not believe the difference between these two gigs...chalk and cheese as they say in the uk.... but I was a very happy guy that night as 'my hero' was back on track or so I thought at the time..........
The Next time I saw PG was with Kolours at (I think) The Astoria Theatre in Victoria London. I wont dwell on the details to much but just to say that it was a repeat of the Golden Lion gig. Peter during one number stepped on his guitar lead and pulled the Jack plug from his guitar and continued to play without realising that nobody could hear anything.....it was so sad to see him totally out of it. Also he did leave the stage soon afterwards during one song leaving the band to conclude the number and the concert. No encores or a return to the stage for any of them that night.
I think the above highlights the thoughts of some that during the early 80's you never knew what you were going to witness when you went to see PG and for me during this time he became an enigma.....but also someone who I still wanted to support and see whenever I could. Now in hindsight I totally understand what was happening to the guy thanks to Martin Celmins, the BBC 'Hard Road' documentary, Man of the World dvd and the likes of you lot out there in Penguin Land.

Now as far as Danny Kirwan's guitar playing.
I can usually tell the difference between Peter's and Danny's playing but I do recall going to see the Mac one night at a gig in London when they decided to give 'Need Your Love so Bad' an airing....I was coming back from a bathroom break and they were just going into the final guitar break which Peter plays......I re-entered the hall to witness Peter give Danny the nod and Danny just stood there and played note /touch perfect the end guitar solo. Out of all the Mac gigs I went to I never ever saw that happen again. If I had not seen him play that break with my own eyes I would of sworn that it was Peter's playing.
Anyway I hope more people add to this thread and I am delighted that Peter is once again fit and well enough to play some more live music.

Stay Green everyone.

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Hmmm a really interesting thread this one...........anyway here's my take on post Mac Peter Green.
Like some of you lucky people I lost count of the number of times I saw FM with Peter at the helm and when my guitar hero called it a day with the Mac I was devastated to say the Least!
The last gig I went to before Peter really started to show outward signs that all was not well health wise was the 1970 Bath festival when he joined John Mayall. The Bootleg recording of that gig is awful but I can assure you the band and Pete's guitar playing was outstanding.
Fast Forward to the early 80's and Peter's first proper comeback gig was at the Golden Lion Pub in Fulham, London. The Place was packed out as you can imagine but alas what a disappointment it turned out to be for all those Punters who came to see PG as they remembered him with FM. The Guy was totally out of it and should never have been on the stage....I felt so sorry for him and came away from the place feeling angry that the people around him at that point in time were using him and his legacy to their advantage and had completely disregarded his mental state and health.
I cannot recall how long it was before I had the next opportunity to see 'my guitar hero' but I just had to go with the hope that what I witnessed at the Golden Lion was a One Off....bad day at the office type thing. This Gig was at the Tolworth community centre (South West London/Surrey) and what a transformation! Peter for better not worse (high on something or totally clean?) was on FIRE that night with his guitar chops and vocals well and truely nailed. I remember him playing and singing a stunning 'Need Your Love so Bad' and 'Man of the World'. I really could not believe the difference between these two gigs...chalk and cheese as they say in the uk.... but I was a very happy guy that night as 'my hero' was back on track or so I thought at the time..........
The Next time I saw PG was with Kolours at (I think) The Astoria Theatre in Victoria London. I wont dwell on the details to much but just to say that it was a repeat of the Golden Lion gig. Peter during one number stepped on his guitar lead and pulled the Jack plug from his guitar and continued to play without realising that nobody could hear anything.....it was so sad to see him totally out of it. Also he did leave the stage soon afterwards during one song leaving the band to conclude the number and the concert. No encores or a return to the stage for any of them that night.
I think the above highlights the thoughts of some that during the early 80's you never knew what you were going to witness when you went to see PG and for me during this time he became an enigma.....but also someone who I still wanted to support and see whenever I could. Now in hindsight I totally understand what was happening to the guy thanks to Martin Celmins, the BBC 'Hard Road' documentary, Man of the World dvd and the likes of you lot out there in Penguin Land.


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Interesting. Do you remember the years for these gigs?
It's indeed wrong to disregard all Greeny's concerts in the 80's.
I have several tapes from 1983 where he plays really well.
Though after that, not so much.
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Old 01-17-2009, 08:22 PM
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Hmmm a really interesting thread this one...........anyway here's my take on post Mac Peter Green.

Fast Forward to the early 80's and Peter's first proper comeback gig was at the Golden Lion Pub in Fulham, London. The Place was packed out as you can imagine but alas what a disappointment it turned out to be for all those Punters who came to see PG as they remembered him with FM. The Guy was totally out of it and should never have been on the stage....I felt so sorry for him and came away from the place feeling angry that the people around him at that point in time were using him and his legacy to their advantage and had completely disregarded his mental state and health.
You can't help but come away with those kinds of feelings if you witnessed it first hand.

I cannot recall how long it was before I had the next opportunity to see 'my guitar hero' but I just had to go with the hope that what I witnessed at the Golden Lion was a One Off....bad day at the office type thing. This Gig was at the Tolworth community centre (South West London/Surrey) and what a transformation! Peter for better not worse (high on something or totally clean?) was on FIRE that night with his guitar chops and vocals well and truely nailed.

There ya go, more of the YMMV I spoke of earlier. Call it the WYSIWYG syndrome.

The Next time I saw PG was with Kolours at (I think) The Astoria Theatre in Victoria London. I wont dwell on the details to much but just to say that it was a repeat of the Golden Lion gig. Peter during one number stepped on his guitar lead and pulled the Jack plug from his guitar and continued to play without realising that nobody could hear anything.....it was so sad to see him totally out of it. Also he did leave the stage soon afterwards during one song leaving the band to conclude the number and the concert. No encores or a return to the stage for any of them that night.

And but again. With the experiences I had, I simply couldn't handle more of the same, and gave up the concert ghost. Fortunately he made a more steady recovery as the eighties begat the nineties and beyond. Keep yer fingers crossed is all I can say.

Now as far as Danny Kirwan's guitar playing.
I can usually tell the difference between Peter's and Danny's playing but I do recall going to see the Mac one night at a gig in London when they decided to give 'Need Your Love so Bad' an airing....I was coming back from a bathroom break and they were just going into the final guitar break which Peter plays......I re-entered the hall to witness Peter give Danny the nod and Danny just stood there and played note /touch perfect the end guitar solo. Out of all the Mac gigs I went to I never ever saw that happen again. If I had not seen him play that break with my own eyes I would of sworn that it was Peter's playing.

Like a breath of fresh air, from one who saw it with their own eyes and ears. But still, we have the Doubting Thomas's by the score, and others who size up Danny to be little more than a convenient foil for the Green God.
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So many elaborate, knowledgeable comments and great thoughts! Threads within the thread. If these threads get much longer and more intense I will have to give up work!

Unfortunately I just can't work out how to multi-quote , so just to hang on to ONE of the many great themes here, I will comment on:

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Peter's approach is unique!! Mayall said recently that he's one of few players who only have to take a couple of notes, to be recognized. It's true!!!
Nigel Watson?!?! A former plumber (or whatever)?!?! As Vinnie said: "...he ain't got it." Their guitar styles are as different as their voices.
This sort of thing always puzzles me... if people can't distinguish Peter Green from any other guitar wannabe ... then what's the big thing about Peter Green then?? Why would he be so special then to those people???
Peter Green used to be a butchers apprentice - remember???

This "quality-thing" is very difficult and usually we use words like: "tone" or "feel"....But what the hell is it???? Some of it might be:

1) dansven:"Their guitar styles are as different as their voices": I think PG once said that he considers the guitar the instrument that takes over where the voice "have to give up" (some great singers sees it the other way around, but have the same unique "talent"/gift: Frank Sinatra said that he (Sinatra) was inspired by the trombone in his phrasing, Billie Holliday wanted to be able to sing like Satchmo played his trumpet).
This is [I]one aspect[I]that - to me - distinguish PG's playing from other players: his playing - like the voice - seems to be part of his being (warts and all) and this human quality ressonates instantly with other human beings in a way that is very unique: he is able to communicate feeling directly(One or two of the great classical violinists are blessed with this abillity too). Mick Fleetwood had a comment in the same line as this about PG's singing voice in the MOTW DVD.

2) Contained intensity (as opposed to blasts of energy) and unerring sense of rhytm/timing/pace.

3) He seems to be able to "stay or be with" each note, which makes him very "present" in his playing in a way that is rather unmatched. It's "a hesitation before taking the leap". It is like he starts all over again every time he plays (this sounds crazy I know). A lot of players are way ahead of themselves - they are "dab" or clever, but they are not "present" in the music.
This aspect is could maybe help distinguish him from others/imitators. They can (to a limited extent) imitate the "tone" or "feel" - but not the timing/pace. Maybe this is why some of us don't care too much whether he is "playing lead" or doodling - whatever he does he is "present".

Trying to balance in life, blessed or cursed (whichever way you look at it) with these "gifts" - no wonder this human being needs a long break in between the battles. PG himself commented once that "playing guitar - (or did he say "bending strings"?) - broke his heart, and he wouldn't let it happen to him again". Tapping in to the principal for years carves the way to burn-out.

This (1-3) is why I agree with JonsonP's 80% on Seven Stars, even though the cover on my CD copy has it otherwise. Snowy is not even mentioned on that particular number. I might be wrong too of course.

Hope this wasn't too "long-haired" (danish slang for space-cadet ramblings) and sorry about the broken english.

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As a solid gig-worthy guitarist Nigel does a fair job, but when it comes to trying to emulate PG's FM sound it just doesn't come close.

He doesn't match up to Green's navel. On stage that's pretty apparent. In the studio with the tricks and slights they can utilize, things aren't always as cut and dry. That goes all the more so for a guitarist of Snowy White's reach and caliber, or even incognito top-notch session men that are often employed on certain, less-than-forthcoming productions.

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Nigel has own way with things. I am sure that if he dug deep he would have his own style. It seems however that he does not improvise very well.

Understatement of the year. They say he used to be pretty fluent on congas though.

Agreed that when Nigel plays his own style. But what is his own style?

LOL. You gotta stay in the game big boy. You're comments are too hip. NO MORE APOLOGIES PLEASE!

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And I guess it's a give-and-take situation really. I mean: Where would Nigel be today without Peter? And where would Peter be today without Nigel?

Sad but true. Nigel has been there for years, and for that reason I think we all have to cut him a bit of slack now and again.

This sort of thing always puzzles me... if people can't distinguish Peter Green from any other guitar wannabe ... then what's the big thing about Peter Green then?? Why would he be so special then to those people???

You can for the most part, considering his playing style and phrasing is unique. It's even more evident on the stage. But I know what cats like Kirwan and White were capable of. If you think you can always "box" them conveniently, especially when they morph into imitation mode, you're sorely mistaken. That's also part of the magic of the studio and high end enhancements, if and when they're gunning for it.

I get the impression you admire Danny more than Peter. And I agree, Danny needs much more recognition! Though, as much as I really adore Danny (both as guitar player and songwriter), I always find that Peter is dimentions above him!

Adore? Mmmm, no. Admire what he brought to the Mac? Very much so. Feel he's under-recognized? To the max. Dimensions below Greenie? No chance, especially not by 1969-1970. As Pete was slipping, Danny was rocketing. He carried the TPO project. My greatest lament of the PGFM era is that we never got to put our ears to the preliminary tapes that were cut by PG and DK for what would have been the follow-up to Then Play On. It was supposedly heavily slanted toward the instrumental side of things, but had just barely got off the ground.

As for them trading licks, I've no trouble identifying who's who!

Wanna take a crack at TPO then -- what percentage on that production do your ears tell you is PG on the guitar front?

Howabout a Mike Bloomfield vs. Peter Green debate instead?

You caused it, now Vinnie is feeling blue for being candid with his views [*slaps a paper mache cut-out of doodyhead in hopes he'll come back to his senses and snap out of his late lament* ]. As I see it, once you make the "big time", you're marked for additional examination and critiquing, whether it be good, bad or somewhere in between. You already get the big bucks and hot chicks, so that's the least you can expect back in return. What fun is just lapping praise upon a bunch of musical prima donnas? Same thing goes for those we elect to govern us, and our bosses and leash handlers - it's all fair game in love and war. Artists are no different, and fall under the same, often intense, spotlight.

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Oh no! Here we go again, and I'm not helping this time! I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines.

Right. Stay out of it, if you know what's good fer ya.

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I think we all agree that we hope Peter isn't wheeled on stage by someone hoping to use his name for their own financial gain. Another great musician in a somewhat similar situation, who I have seen perform live and from very close to the stage...Brian Wilson. Now there's a guy who has good and bad concerts.

Excellent comparison, and quite apropos. Both were musical wizards, both helped set certain standards during their heyday, both were nice guys (almost to a fault), and both went down in a hail of hallucinogenic bliss, er, blues, never fully to return.

Peter has good and bad days, days when he feels pumped up at the prospect of performing in front of an audience and days when he'd rather go watch a DVD with a cuppa.

Say it again. His storyline in a nutshell from the time he left the PGFM era.

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This aspect is could maybe help distinguish him from others/imitators. They can (to a limited extent) imitate the "tone" or "feel" - but not the timing/pace. Maybe this is why some of us don't care too much whether he is "playing lead" or doodling - whatever he does he is "present".

Agreed. But with just the right wizardry behind the controls and dubs, lots of things can be "pushed" if a concerted effort is made to imitate. At least by capable hands, more than some imagine.

Hope this wasn't too "long-haired" (danish slang for space-cadet ramblings) and sorry about the broken english.

Dang never knew you were doubling up. Your command of English is par excellent. Chops to that Moose.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:23 AM
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You can for the most part, considering his playing style and phrasing is unique. It's even more evident on the stage. But I know what cats like Kirwan and White were capable of. If you think you can always "box" them conveniently, especially when they morph into imitation mode, you're sorely mistaken. That's also part of the magic of the studio and high end enhancements, if and when they're gunning for it.
Mister, you're talking contradictions here!
You're suddenly saying it easy to identify Peter's playing, and especially onstage, because it's unique and everything. Wouldn't it be right to assume that Peter could do even better in the studio than onstage? After all, you emphasized how his concerts were ups and downs. In the studio on the other hand, he would have the chance to do several takes to get the best results. And didn't have to deal with the "stage fright" part of it.

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Admire what he brought to the Mac? Very much so. Feel he's under-recognized? To the max. (...) My greatest lament of the PGFM era is that we never got to put our ears to the preliminary tapes that were cut by PG and DK for what would have been the follow-up to Then Play On. It was supposedly heavily slanted toward the instrumental side of things, but had just barely got off the ground.
Agreed!
Regarding the instrumental project, I have a clipping of an NME interview with Peter from '69-'70. He said that it would be an album of instrumentals, and that he already had 6 songs ready. I'm not sure if he meant written or recorded. I'm sure it would have been a classic album.

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Dimensions below Greenie? No chance, especially not by 1969-1970. As Pete was slipping, Danny was rocketing. He carried the TPO project.
Peter "slipping"??? Now what is your definition of "slipping"? I'm sure he was having some mental issues (guilt, money etc...) during his last days with FMac. But his guitar playing didn't change ... didn't lose any energy... until after "The End Of The Game". Listen to his contributions to Memphis Slim and Toe Fat, which were recorded after he left FMac. Danny could never do that kind of stuff.
Peter's schizophrenia really manifested after The End Of The Game, with mental institutions etc. That's when I'd say Peter was "slipping".

Do you have have any live bootleg recordings from '69-'70?

Danny "carried the TPO project." How can you say something like that???
Give me some proof!
Really, to me this sound like a rash statement of a Kirwan fan.

Your admiration for Danny is the big issue, isn't it? Let me again say that I really admire Danny, and not as a foil for Green.
However, if Danny had what Peter had, and according to you was rocketing and carrying the TPO project... then why didn't the guitar playing on Kiln House, Future Games and Bare Trees have that same magic as Then Play On?

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Wanna take a crack at TPO then -- what percentage on that production do your ears tell you is PG on the guitar front?
Sure I can!! But why don't you give me YOUR percentage first??? Instead of telling me I haven't got a clue.
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Regarding the instrumental project, I have a clipping of an NME interview with Peter from '69-'70. He said that it would be an album of instrumentals, and that he already had 6 songs ready. I'm not sure if he meant written or recorded. I'm sure it would have been a classic album.
Any chance you could scan that clipping and post it, dansven? There aren't that many late '60s interviews I've seen and it would be cool to read that one.
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Any chance you could scan that clipping and post it, dansven? There aren't that many late '60s interviews I've seen and it would be cool to read that one.
Sure, Sharksfan!
It's not really an interview, to my memory. Rather a short article, with some comments from Peter. I have a few .. they're stuffed away. I'll dig them out and post some scans in the following days!
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