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[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Yes, we are winning. At the highest cost. War is Hell.

Maybe we are there to kill terrorist and yes for the OIL!

Even after all we've spent our economy has been strong enough to pull through it.
It it wasn't for the Banks & Mortgage Companies loaning money to people who don't
qualify for loans, and people just over extending themselves, you wouldn't be hearing about how bad the economy is.

You sound an awful lot like Carne. Your screen name is quite ironic.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You sound an awful lot like Carne. Your screen name is quite ironic.

Yeah I thought the same thing about the screen name ..wasn't it fear that Bush and co. used to to mislead alot of people into the Iraqi war?If it was Carne he' d have to be taking on a whole new persona and playing the devil's advocate which come to think of it he was pretty damned good at!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Yeah I thought the same thing about the screen name ..wasn't it fear that Bush and co. used to to mislead alot of people into the Iraqi war?If it was Carne he' d have to be taking on a whole new persona and playing the devil's advocate which come to think of it he was pretty damned good at!

Well, iamnotafraid said he was from the Gulf Coast and that he had damage from Katrina. I am unsure if Carne would joke about such a thing.

Backstory - carnevaca is a now banned ledgie. Carne was banned for having multiple (I think 5-10) screen names, which is a violation of the rules. He would use these screen names to have conversations, at times, that were for the purpose of inciting a ficticious argument, also a violation of the rules. Carne would also use his main screen name to promote arguments that at times could have been construed as antagonistic.

I personally like and liked Carne and miss him.

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Backstory - carnevaca is a now banned ledgie. Carne was banned for having multiple (I think 5-10) screen names, which is a violation of the rules. He would use these screen names to have conversations, at times, that were for the purpose of inciting a ficticious argument, also a violation of the rules. Carne would also use his main screen name to promote arguments that at times could have been construed as antagonistic.

curious. did he carry on conversations with himself?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

curious. did he carry on conversations with himself?

Yes. He did.

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, iamnotafraid said he was from the Gulf Coast and that he had damage from Katrina. I am unsure if Carne would joke about such a thing.

Backstory - carnevaca is a now banned ledgie.

On my lunch break and decided to check how much I'd been kicked around.

I'm sorry to all the paranoid people, but I don't even know who "Carne" is. I guess I haven't been here long enough.

I do believe in what I say here (when I'm not joking that is). Most of these political arguments are so one-sided, and that's what makes me throw my 2 cents in.

I will say that as much as Strandinthewind and I disagree on political issues, I enjoy the post I read from Strand. And I appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes to write such post. At least both of us like the McCain......oops.. sorry Strand I meant the Mac.

Most Dem's made their minds up about President Bush before he was even in office.
And as for the post mentioning the Iraqi pullout, the Dem's did want an pullout first.
But they wanted it before we were (and are) winning. That's a big difference.

I'll let ajm do the hard work here, he's a bit more scholarly than I.
I'm just a simple farmer. Plus for the most part, I'm just here for fun.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

On my lunch break and decided to check how much I'd been kicked around.

I'm sorry to all the paranoid people, but I don't even know who "Carne" is. I guess I haven't been here long enough.

I do believe in what I say here (when I'm not joking that is). Most of these political arguments are so one-sided, and that's what makes me throw my 2 cents in.

I will say that as much as Strandinthewind and I disagree on political issues, I enjoy the post I read from Strand. And I appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes to write such post. At least both of us like the McCain......oops.. sorry Strand I meant the Mac.

Most Dem's made their minds up about President Bush before he was even in office.
And as for the post mentioning the Iraqi pullout, the Dem's did want an pullout first.
But they wanted it before we were (and are) winning. That's a big difference.

I'll let ajm do the hard work here, he's a bit more scholarly than I.
I'm just a simple farmer. Plus for the most part, I'm just here for fun.

Nah - I like McCain as a person. I just do not want the R party in power anymore. I think the idea of a religious state is too repugnant. And, the ironic thing is the far religious right is too stupid to realize the R's are just using them. Let the tide change from religious sectarianism, and the R party will follow the money to the other wherever it goes. They all do that. That is why the idea that McCain will somehow buck the R party on these currently vogue religious ideas is ridiculous. McCain will follow the money, which is the RNC.

I also do not get when people say Obama wants to raise their taxes. All the evidence shows that Obama is raising taxes back to the Clinton levels for those making $200,000 or more a year. Thus, the vast majority of Americans will feel nothing from this tax "increase." Moreover, at the Clinton levels, the nation had a trillion + dollar surplus. So, I just do not see how Obama's tax plan is such a bad thing and I HATE the current income tax system. Again, I am for the Fair Tax because that way every hooker, stipper, waiter, drug dealer, and any other cash based business has to in the end pay tax on their cash transactions.

As for winning in Iraq - do you not see that McCain, W, the R party, and its mouthpieces cried for the last two years and as recently a few weeks ago that any talk of withdrawing the combat troops in Iraq was an admission of defeat, the D's just want America to fail, etc. Now, W is doing just that based on the same set of facts and clearly because the American public is done with this ill thought out and planned war; McCain likely cannot win without W's current withdrawal scheme. Yet, when W does it, America suddenly is winning in Iraq and no one better talk against W or how he alone got us into the disasterous situation in Iraq in the first place. All suddenly is forgiven for W, but all of the D's who dared to raise this issue are traitors and hate America. To me, that is BS and rank hypocrisy, which I have to say the facts support is all the R's have been about since 1996.

Again, if W were your employee, would you have fired him long ago?

[TrueFaith77]

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/bil...008-08-26.html

Today in Denver:

[Bill Clinton] said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"

Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: "This has nothing to do with what's going on now."

[strandinthewind]

^^

I googled this, but could not find anything other than far right sites quoting it and none privided a citation to the original source -- I'd like to see the context as none of those sites IMO can be trusted to provide an accurate portrayal.

But, it is kind of funny - that Slick Willy

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

I will say that as much as Strandinthewind and I disagree on political issues, I enjoy the post I read from Strand. And I appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes to write such post. At least both of us like the McCain......oops.. sorry Strand I meant the Mac.

Most Dem's made their minds up about President Bush before he was even in office.
And as for the post mentioning the Iraqi pullout, the Dem's did want an pullout first.
But they wanted it before we were (and are) winning. That's a big difference.

I made up my mind when he was appointed President by daddy's supreme court abetted by his brother the Governer of the state in contest! (please)can we say nepotism?I guess I buck the trend as I am not only for a pullout I believe 100% that we should never have gone in.The only way we can "win" is to stay there and occupy that nation interminably and we had a profound lack of understanding of the culture of that region and still do..Iraqi or Iran for that matter is not Germany .Japan or South Korea.And I am not so blindly partisan that I will throw out the baby with the bathwater ..I have maintained all along that I like John McCain as an individual and as misguided as I feel he is about many of his policies I feel he has the best interest of America in his heartI am however very concerned about his running mate given his age and health history ,if he were to win which I hope he does not .As for Bush he is an imbecile ..sorry.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

On my lunch break and decided to check how much I'd been kicked around.

I'm sorry to all the paranoid people, but I don't even know who "Carne" is. I guess I haven't been here long enough.

I do believe in what I say here (when I'm not joking that is). Most of these political arguments are so one-sided, and that's what makes me throw my 2 cents in.

I will say that as much as Strandinthewind and I disagree on political issues, I enjoy the post I read from Strand. And I appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes to write such post. At least both of us like the McCain......oops.. sorry Strand I meant the Mac.

Most Dem's made their minds up about President Bush before he was even in office.
And as for the post mentioning the Iraqi pullout, the Dem's did want an pullout first.
But they wanted it before we were (and are) winning. That's a big difference.

I'll let ajm do the hard work here, he's a bit more scholarly than I.
I'm just a simple farmer. Plus for the most part, I'm just here for fun.

I made up my mind about W before he went into office, yes, because he looked like a complete idiot to me on camera. He didn't speak properly and didn't have anything substantial to say. I didn't get him, don't get him, and won't get him. And damned if I wasn't right on the money. F*cking American people baffled me on that one.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I made up my mind about W before he went into office, yes, because he looked like a complete idiot to me on camera. He didn't speak properly and didn't have anything substantial to say. I didn't get him, don't get him, and won't get him. And damned if I wasn't right on the money. F*cking American people baffled me on that one.

Yeah I think my distaste for him actually predated the election theft of 2000..I remember thinking to myself how did an inarticulate cretin like him beat a great lady like Ann Richards in the Texas gubernatorial election..an early dose of Rovian style smear and nepotism I'd imagine.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I made up my mind about W before he went into office, yes, because he looked like a complete idiot to me on camera. He didn't speak properly and didn't have anything substantial to say. I didn't get him, don't get him, and won't get him. And damned if I wasn't right on the money. F*cking American people baffled me on that one.

Damn straight.

[Lee]

Yeah, Senator Kennedy's speech was bittersweet. I had tears in my eyes, too. I'm not a terribly big fan of his, but I will show him my respect.

I keep falling asleep & missing the major speeches. They come on too late here for me on the East Coast. (I have to get up at 5 a.m.) I'm just going to have to tape tonight's speeches because I really want to hear what Bill & Senator Biden have to say.

Lee

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, iamnotafraid said he was from the Gulf Coast and that he had damage from Katrina. I am unsure if Carne would joke about such a thing.

Backstory - carnevaca is a now banned ledgie. Carne was banned for having multiple (I think 5-10) screen names, which is a violation of the rules. He would use these screen names to have conversations, at times, that were for the purpose of inciting a ficticious argument, also a violation of the rules. Carne would also use his main screen name to promote arguments that at times could have been construed as antagonistic.

I personally like and liked Carne and miss him.

He also had conversations with himself amongst his screen names.