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Old 08-06-2008, 07:02 PM
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I do not think anyone is arguiong that. I certainly am not. I am saying that McCain has sunk to a low to achieve that effectiveness. Sadly, McCain could not do it on the issues or with statesman like poise, which he had maintained up until now. Now, he is no better than Rove, and that is saying alot and it makes McCain onbe step closer to W than he already is.

Do you actually advocate the use of these untrue associations in an attempt to smear someone with no regard to their actual stance on issues? If you do, that, to me, is very sad.

And, I would call out Obama or anyone else if he did this kind of cowardly behaviour.

I truly have lost the respect I had for McCain and I had a bunch.

To see one selling their soul to the devil for, in the end, vainity, is never pretty
I don't see anything untrue there at all. What has McCain said in his ads that isn't true? Obama isn't experienced, he is tied to Hollywood, he does have a Messiah complex. I mean, Obama does like to be fawned over. He accused a reporter that challenged his position of being a schill for McCain. He loses his temper when media figures don't gaze into his eyes lovingly and bow at his feet. The guy really is the height of arrogance. He's also spending the day of the Republican convention in Europe with Clooney and other celebrities. He is tied into Hollywood and sadly Paris Hilton has a more comprehensive energy plan than he does. It's actually the same as McCain's.

I don't blame McCain for doing what he did at all because he needs the coverage. We all know what color Obama's bowel movements were every day and McCain states a position and gets no coverage. So.... You just want him to lay over and let Obama's official campaign headquarters at NBC steamroll him?

It's also not know if McCain could beat him on the issues or not because Obama refused to debate them, time and time again, but only after agreeing to debate.

I agree though. Obama is a new kind of candidate. Most candidates and wafflers pick one side at a time. Obama manages to be on both sides of an issue at the same time.

Oh yeah, and I like Karl Rove.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:20 PM
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I don't see anything untrue there at all. What has McCain said in his ads that isn't true? . . . .
Please see the aove posts regarding the immediate effets of oil lies.

Also, the ad was, once again, a clear insult to Obama, comparing him to two white girls who are widely regarded as idiots, one with mental and legal problems and one with a criminal record. That implication was clear. In other words, the same point could have been made by using non-criminal and/or mentally challenged stars like George Clooney, Will Smith, etc. Yet, McCain chose the Rove method od putting the black guy against the blond hotties. That to me is pathetic and it ought to be to you too.

But, I really do not feel like arguing it anymore. So, I will refer to this post and the 100 or so before it for future reference.

That you like Rove is not a compliment to you. The man used lies and innuendo to destroy honorable people.
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:33 PM
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Please see the aove posts regarding the immediate effets of oil lies.

Also, the ad was, once again, a clear insult to Obama, comparing him to two white girls who are widely regarded as idiots, one with mental and legal problems and one with a criminal record. That implication was clear. In other words, the same point could have been made by using non-criminal and/or mentally challenged stars like George Clooney, Will Smith, etc. Yet, McCain chose the Rove method od putting the black guy against the blond hotties. That to me is pathetic and it ought to be to you too.

But, I really do not feel like arguing it anymore. So, I will refer to this post and the 100 or so before it for future reference.

That you like Rove is not a compliment to you. The man used lies and innuendo to destroy honorable people.
I think it was more of comparing Obama to two women that the press obsess over was more the point. We know more about Paris Hilton and Britney Spears than we would like to.

However, Obama isn't exactly squeaky. The comparison to someone who went to jail isn't exactly unfair either. There are those from his college days that accuse him of selling drugs to finance his own habits of "coke & blow". From reading his book, I'm not really concerned about that at this point, as it was so long ago. He was a different person back then and I think that what people do as kids or very young adults shouldn't be held against them, when they have obviously compensated for it. My opinion is "who cares, look at what he's done now". Still...... looking even currently, he's morphed into something a little more insidious than a college pot pusher. Criminal activity creeps up in Obama's own more recent campaigns in Illinois and for President. We all know about Obama's connection to Bill Ayers and Tony Rezco, right? Rezco gave Obama a sweet deal on his house and put it in his own name as a favor to Obama. Ayers admits being involved in domestic terrorist plots. Obama made his plans to announce his candidacy in Ayers house. Rezco is in prison and Ayers certainly belongs there, and both have traded favors with Obama. No one has accused Obama of anything outright illegal (yet), but it certainly is on the par with what Ted Stevens is accused of, or for that matter, Tom Delay, both of which are also inexcusable human beings who abused their positions. It demonstrates EXTREMELY poor judgement in either case.
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