Huge Fleetwood Mac Update

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

Oh, sure he did, Joe -- the band was its own producer in those days, but Lindsey had the single biggest role of anyone, inside or outside the band, in designing the tracks & orchestrating the instrumentation & vocals.

No, Stevie produced most of the Tusk tracks, in fact she got pissed at Lindsey around the Tango album cos she did all the work...

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jwd

Much cared?! Are you KIDDING?! Everyone had dollar signs in their eyes at that time. Nobody wanted to mess with the magical formula they had found after all those years "working the streets". I think that feeling applied much more to "Lindsey the guitarist" than "Lindsey the producer".

I think Lindsey as just the guitarist is quite a fungible commodity. It's Lindsey as a producer that they most wanted to keep happy. He was chief organizer on Rumours, as I believe Ken and Richard would readily attest based on all the Rumours analysis that's gone on over the years. I think the role he played in making Rumours paved the way for Tusk. Without his production on Rumours, if all he'd done is play guitar and write GYOW, I doubt he would have had the leverage with the band that would have prompted them to hand him the reigns for Tusk.

Michele

[John Run]

[QUOTE=jwd;762683]Makes perfect sense to me. I actually welcome and relish this condition. Lindsey did not produce the 'White Album', Rumours, and Tusk

Oh, I think most of the written and spoken evidence of the people involved in the making of Rumours would contradict this statement. Richard Dashut himself has said he always felt bad that Lindsey did not get a production credit on Rumours. Because in his words, it was Lindsey who took the point on the production of the album. I do think that all of the members and Ken and Richard all made important contribitions and there was more of democracy at that time, then what went on in later albums, but to say Lindsey did not serve as the principle sonic architect of the songs is in my opinion not accurate.

[SandyMac]

Originally Posted by jwd

David, you know I respect your opinion(s). I just disagree with you here. I don't think Lindsey had a more dominating role in the production of Fleetwood Mac's sound until Tusk. You know when he wanted to start recording his songs at home/on his own. What I believe, and Mick feared, was the beginning of the fragmentation of Fleetwood Mac. Concerning Rumours and their eponymous album, the band had other producers involved, namely Keith Olsen, Richard Dashut, Ken Caillat, and Cris Morris(who?). These men had to have had some role, in more than just a minor way, in the sound of Fleetwood Mac. Why were they there? I'm not saying that Lindsey didn't "influence" the sound of the band. After all he was a writer and the lead guitarist. I know that he and John butted heads on occassion over the way John played his bass lines. I think this is documented in the Tusk documentary. I'm sure Mick, John, and Christine played just as heavy a hand, and probably more so than Lindsey, in their sound, especially on the first two records. What I believe happened after Tusk, was that Lindsey took on the primary role, if not sole producer or their records. I think, if this article is accurate, that Stevie just wants an outside producer, besides Lindsey, to work on her songs, within the confines of Fleetwood Mac. I think John Shanks did an incredible job on her TISL songs. Do you not hear differences in the way Stevie's songs sound on TISL to the way they sound on SYW? I have to say that I like the former more as opposed to the latter.

This is just my opinion and just came to me so maybe I need to think through this, but I think John Shanks brought out the "Rock Stevie" and Lindsey brings out the "soft, underlying I want to rock out, but not yet" or just a tad under that wild Stevie vocal we all know can come out. I say we need a producer that can produce Stevie in both.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by John Run

Oh, I think most of the written and spoken evidence of the people involved in the making of Rumours would contradict this statement. Richard Dashut himself has said he always felt bad that Lindsey did not get a production credit on Rumours. Because in his words, it was Lindsey who took the point on the production of the album. I do think that all of the members and Ken and Richard all made important contribitions and there was more of democracy at that time, then what went on in later albums, but to say Lindsey did not serve as the principle sonic architect of the songs is in my opinion not accurate.

Therein lies the main point, my point, and Stevie's desire for this new recording. I will cede that perhaps I should have used principal producer or lone producer of Rumours when I was referring to Lindsey's (non)role on that album.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Lindsey as just the guitarist is quite a fungible commodity. It's Lindsey as a producer that they most wanted to keep happy. He was chief organizer on Rumours, as I believe Ken and Richard would readily attest based on all the Rumours analysis that's gone on over the years. I think the role he played in making Rumours paved the way for Tusk. Without his production on Rumours, if all he'd done is play guitar and write GYOW, I doubt he would have had the leverage with the band that would have prompted them to hand him the reigns for Tusk.

Michele

I think we are just worlds apart in our opinions concerning our feelings about Lindsey's principal role in FM. I think Lindsey's main contribution to FM is his guitar playing, whereas you feel it is his production skills. Whether it's GYOW, "I'm So Afraid", or hell just about anything the man plays, he KICKS ASS! Ask most people what they like about Lindsey Buckingham and I'd bet my bottom dollar most people would say "he plays a mean guitar", or something along that line. I don't think many would say he is a great producer. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Michele.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by bucklind17

I think that's the key here. I don't think Stevie has many qualms about Lindsey's actual talents as a producer, it's likely more that she has issues with the circumstances surrounding getting him to produce her songs to his potential, and to what she has in mind. It could simply be that Stevie doesn't want to have to fight tooth and nail to get her song to sound a certain way and having other producers will help her get what she wants for her songs more easily.

That's an excellent point. And honestly I think that Lindsey still has issues with Stevie's celebrity and the fact that she became the "STAR" of the band. The question is not CAN he, but WILL he produce her songs the way they should be.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

What has she lied about that has you in such a tizzy?

But, she has said that when she did the interviews for Street Angel she was horrified because she had to promote a record she knew was not up to snuff - she may have even used the word lying in there.

But, as to the other stuff, I am sure they have all lied at one time or another

Not in a tizzy...just think she stretches the blanket a lot...

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

SYW was great, but as many critics said, it was too much like a Stevie solo album and Lindsey solo album put on one CD...it was just too much!

When Tusk was released many articles including Rolling Stone Magazine reported that it sounded like a Stevie solo album a Lindsey solo album and a Christine solo album all rolled into one.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

No, Stevie produced most of the Tusk tracks, in fact she got pissed at Lindsey around the Tango album cos she did all the work...

I know you've gotta be joking here, right? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Stevie produced anything on TUSK and while the band was recording Tango she was on tour promoting RAL. She was hardly there for the recording of Tango.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

What has she lied about that has you in such a tizzy?

This comment was made based on what I had written about Stevie telling Sheryl it wasn't a good idea to bring a baby on the road if she was gonna be a member of FM. And then finding out Sheryl was gonna be the opening act I found it amusing that naturally she would bring little Wyatt on the road with her. So Stevie didn't think it was a good idea for Sheryl to bring the baby if she was part of FM, but didn't have a problem with SC bringing the baby as an opening act. Get it??
The so called lie was that.
I believe that if Sheryl had never opened her big mouth to the press about joining the band she might have actually been chosen to join FM. She was probably too excited to keep the great news to herself and in doing so, jumped the gun which probably pissed off FM and she blew her chance of becoming a member. Just my opinion.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by vivfox

This comment was made based on what I had written about Stevie telling Sheryl it wasn't a good idea to bring a baby on the road if she was gonna be a member of FM. And then finding out Sheryl was gonna be the opening act I found it amusing that naturally she would bring little Wyatt on the road with her. So Stevie didn't think it was a good idea for Sheryl to bring the baby if she was part of FM, but didn't have a problem with SC bringing the baby as an opening act. Get it??
The so called lie was that.

We don't know this to be fact for one. Secondly, Stevie has no control over who the opening act is. What she supposedly told Sheryl would basically just be considered some friendly advise. I'm sure Sheryl brings little Wyatt along with her on her current solo tour. It wouldn't stop her from bringing Wyatt along if she was a member of FM.

[DavidMn]

i feel like when the dust settles, it will be just Fleetwood Mac, like its been the last 2 tours.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

i feel like when the dust settles, it will be just Fleetwood Mac, like its been the last 2 tours.

I hope you're right David. It just needs to be a knock down drag out FM Rockfest for 3+ hours. Peter Green, Christine McVie, Bob Welch, and Jeremy Spencer need to be there too! I love you all, please come back!

[DavidMn]

You know, Viagra would make an excellent tour sponsor! That way Mick could bring Harold the Dildo out of retirement!