Honestly, now that Obama is the nominee........

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Like a hole in the head ..the baggage that the Clintons would bring to the bottom of the ticket would more than offset any gains from disgruntled Hillary supporters .Obama's campaign has been about change and the Clinton's do not represent that ..and if anyone questions that Obama and his campaign are not smart consider that he has just bested the finest political operative of his time and his wife at their own game ..I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for gramps..er maybe not.

I would say that he squeaked out a win over the Clinton powerhouse, barely, despite the collusion of party insiders and the press, manipulation of caucuses and every low down and dirty campaign tactic. He's the Forrest Gump candidate as far as I am concerned. To be fair, he really should have completely decimated Hillary with all of the cards in his deck, but instead he lost the popular vote and had to get the party to select him despite the will of the people. Pathetic.

[strandinthewind]

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Exactly -- I mean it is as if the Obama supporters are celebrating a landslide victry, which even Obama himself readily says it was not and referes to it instead as a hard fought battle, which it was.

As for Bill Clinton's SC comments, I believe they were factual in that Jesse Jackson did win SC. And, Bill Clinton was responding to the fact that both were black and both got the black vote, which also was factual. How is that racist? Or, are white people never supposed to noted what black people do unless it is in the context of pointing out that black people are oppressed? Give me a break. Interstingly, what if Obama had said, "like Jesse Jackson, on of the other pioneers in the advancement of black people in polotics - I won SC." Would that have been tied up as racist?

Of course Bill Clinton was pointing out that Jesse Jackson ultimately lost the nomination. But, that is not racist. It is a fact and he was drawing an analogy. Yet, the media pounced on it was whitey putting all the blacks in one basket. To me, that is BS.

The media also took it to mean that black voters will vote for a black candidate. He was doing that. And, he was correct (80%) in the case of SC To be fair, Obama got many white votes as well. But, Clinton was pointing out that the black vote is heavily in favor of Obama.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I would say that he squeaked out a win over the Clinton powerhouse, barely, despite the collusion of party insiders and the press, manipulation of caucuses and every low down and dirty campaign tactic. He's the Forrest Gump candidate as far as I am concerned. To be fair, he really should have completely decimated Hillary with all of the cards in his deck, but instead he lost the popular vote and had to get the party to select him despite the will of the people. Pathetic.

It seemed to me that Hillary entered the primary season as pretty much the guaranteed nominee of the party as it was pointed out to me on this forum by Hillary supporters last fall when I voiced my support for Obama with such statements as 'it ain't never gonna happen " in regard to Obama becoming the nominee.Obama's use of the internet for fund raising and being astute enough to understand the importance of caucus states contributed to him getting the nomination as well as I'll admit it the cult of personality .I also think it is tragically Medean for people that consider themselves Democrats to take their marbles amd go over to the other side considering what is at stake in Iraqi and the Supreme Court and the wingnut that an over 70 year old candidate is likely to choose as his V.P.