Bets on a new album?

[Stew_Matthews]

I just can't see Lindsey on stage with Sheryl and Stevie - I just can't.

Unlike the others in the band, I don't believe he needs the money - I know he has a young family and will want to look after them but I don't suspect he's short of cash.

The key thing for me though is that he seemed so happy when I saw the Boulder shows. There was a real vibe with his band and he was really enjoying himself. When I saw him in Australia at the back end of the SYW tour he went 'through the motions' compared to how he was in Colorado imo. I hope he puts out his album and tours before doing anything 'rash'........

[Sarah]

I agree, Stew... it appears to me that LB has been one of the few rockstars that didn't blow all of his cash. I mean, he lived in the same house for a very, very long time.. it's only since he's had the kids and wife that he's torn down, reconstructed, sold, and relocated. Besides, he gets a check in the mail from BMI (or ascap or whatever he belongs to) for radio plays of songs he has writer credit on.. then there are album sales for all the stuff that's been released so far, greatest hits and all of that type of crap included. seriously, I doubt he "has" to tour with them at all. If he did, he would have been speaking about it more positively leading up to this, imo, but he's just been like, "eh, maybe"-ish.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Sarah

I doubt he "has" to tour with them at all. If he did, he would have been speaking about it more positively leading up to this, imo, but he's just been like, "eh, maybe"-ish.

I think he was speaking about it more positively even through the first part of the UTS tour. Then, around the last half, his tone became more doubtful. Still, from 2003-2006, he was surprisingly gung ho about FM. Sounded like he had big plans for the group.

I don't think he actually needs the money, but he might be one of those people who doesn't feel confident about spending money unless it's replaced. In 1997, Stevie was talking like Lindsey had all the money in the world and nothing has changed since then, except that he got married and had 3 kids. I think he must have more than enough money to support his family even if he never works again, but I get the feeling he is somewhat frugal and would probably feel more secure if he could replenish his funds with an FM outing.

My take on Destiny Rules is that at the end, Stevie was going to do a shorter tour if he wouldn't give in about the double album. He had planned to foot the costs of the extra songs for a double album, but only because he thought he could get the cash back on a long tour. When there was a threat that the tour would be shorter, he gave in and ditched the double album idea. Now, I don't think that was the wrong move. FM probably was better off without a double album. In fact, SYW might be too long as it is. So, it probably worked out for the best. But I felt that Lindsey was being blackmailed at the end and that made me very uncomfortable. I'm not saying he doesn't threaten himself. In that talk with Mick he suggested that he might take his songs back, away from FM, if he didn't get his way.

So, let them play leverage games with each other if they want, I just want him to always have more than enough bargaining chips.

Over the last few years, he has seemed a little hungrier for FM than I would like him to be. I don't necessarily think the need is financial (hope not). I don't know WHAT it is, but I don't like it. I want him above the reach of manipulation and on the power side of tugs of war within the band, as it was and ever shall be.

As for a solo album, I have NO hope for one, unless and until these rumors about an FM event come to fruition or die (which would take a year). I just don't see the guy doing two things in such close seccession, not because he couldn't. The material is there. He could release the solo album tomorrow if he wanted. Frankly, I just think he has some kind of strange psychological inability.

Michele

[Forshorn]

I can't take it. Nothing against her, particularly, but FM is special and should respect it's history. This is like when a TV show is fading and they start bringing stupid celebrity guest stars. FM has always had that mysterious quality, romantic imagery... whereas Sheryl Crow's music is kind of banal.

Hey, well, I guess Christine's was a bit catchy-but-plain too.

No, just another cd with Stevie, Lindsey, and the rest. Please.

[wondergirl9847]

PLEASE, dear sweet Jesus in Heaven...no Sheryl Crow and more Lindsey solo.

AMEN!

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by Sarah

I agree, Stew... it appears to me that LB has been one of the few rockstars that didn't blow all of his cash. I mean, he lived in the same house for a very, very long time.. it's only since he's had the kids and wife that he's torn down, reconstructed, sold, and relocated. Besides, he gets a check in the mail from BMI (or ascap or whatever he belongs to) for radio plays of songs he has writer credit on.. then there are album sales for all the stuff that's been released so far, greatest hits and all of that type of crap included. seriously, I doubt he "has" to tour with them at all. If he did, he would have been speaking about it more positively leading up to this, imo, but he's just been like, "eh, maybe"-ish.

Didn't he live in a really expensive hotel for a year though? I don't think Lindsey has been immune to excess.
That said, aside from Mick, I doubt that any of Fleetwood Mac need the money at this point.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Didn't he live in a really expensive hotel for a year though?

Yeah, but I guess he made up for it when he sold his house for 21.5 million.

I always thought it odd that John only wanted 1.6 million for his house and that was when real estate was still hot and terribly inflated, in 2004. Just your average middle class house would cost $1.6. Didn't sound like rock star digs.

Michele

[David]

I've been watching this live Red Rover from the Buckingham tour a few years ago:



I think it sounds really good. But I notice that the four guys onstage are playing a relatively minor role in what we're hearing. There's only one guitarist -- Lindsey -- & I don't think he is covering all the guitar work we're hearing. Neale isn't doing anything except singing. Taku is adding a nice shaker. Brett isn't doing anything for the first half of the song, & then he starts holding down some chords on his workstation & singing.

1. Where is the rest of the song coming from?
2. Is this how the song was done on the Fleetwood Mac tour?

This is my favorite song except for Sugar Daddy.

[Peestie]

I think it sounds like there's just one guitarist. The high melody Lindsey is playing does sound like it's been double however, possibly just a short delay on the guitar? Maybe they prerecorded an overdub of the high melody to play at the same time, but I never really thought about it before now. I don't see why it couldn't be all Lindsey playing since it's not really a particularly hard song to play. What particular parts are you hearing that you think are coming out of nowhere?

Guitars aside, there are two or three Lindsey Buckinghams singing on this track which I'm not too keen on. Either that or Brett and Neal sound really like Lindsey...

[David]

Originally Posted by Peestie

I think it sounds like there's just one guitarist. The high melody Lindsey is playing does sound like it's been double however, possibly just a short delay on the guitar? Maybe they prerecorded an overdub of the high melody to play at the same time, but I never really thought about it before now. I don't see why it couldn't be all Lindsey playing since it's not really a particularly hard song to play. What particular parts are you hearing that you think are coming out of nowhere?

I'm not sure, Pete. What about the kick? Where is that coming from? The guitar is a bit of a whir, although I am looking at the tab you did last year. Unfortunately, I have only the first page of that tab. That's interesting that you think there may be some doubling. That might explain the fullness.

Guitars aside, there are two or three Lindsey Buckinghams singing on this track which I'm not too keen on. Either that or Brett and Neal sound really like Lindsey...

Yes, I really doubt that Brett & Neale are doing all the vox & FX in this. Too much of it sounds like Lindsey himself. They must be playing this with what we in America call "punching in." How did they do this song on the Fleetwood Mac tour? Same personnel, right? So it was the same?

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by Peestie

I think it sounds like there's just one guitarist. The high melody Lindsey is playing does sound like it's been double however, possibly just a short delay on the guitar? Maybe they prerecorded an overdub of the high melody to play at the same time, but I never really thought about it before now.

Lindsey driving a guitar synthesizer/sequencer with his playing like in the acoustic Big Love = cool.

Lindsey miming or playing along to a backing track/what's on the hard drive = ****e. But then that's what it's been for the last ten years or so.

That aside, does anyone think Red Rover should be extended to an hour long piece like Reich's Music for 18 Musicians? It has the potential.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by David

There's only one guitarist -- Lindsey -- & I don't think he is covering all the guitar work we're hearing.

Sure he could...thanks to a "loop sampling" effect unit (adding some delay, too). Boss RC20XL Loop Station (from Musician's Friend.com) After the first few bars, that part comes around again, and he's doubling what he played the first time through, then it comes around again, and he's playing over the first two parts, until it eventually gets to sounding like four or five guitars playing at once (or three 12-string guitars).

There are also a few types of vocal doublers/harmonizers (here's one for example) TC Electronics Voice Doubler (from Musician's Friend.com)

What I'd like to hear from Lindsey is just his guitar and his voice, undoctored by effects (except for some ever so slight delay/reverb for his voice)

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by chiliD

What I'd like to hear from Lindsey is just his guitar and his voice, undoctored by effects (except for some ever so slight delay/reverb for his voice)

Well, Chili, listen to Shut Us Down, NGBA, Trouble, Go Insane from his last tour.

[David]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Sure he could...thanks to a "loop sampling" effect unit (adding some delay, too). Boss RC20XL Loop Station (from Musician's Friend.com) After the first few bars, that part comes around again, and he's doubling what he played the first time through, then it comes around again, and he's playing over the first two parts, until it eventually gets to sounding like four or five guitars playing at once (or three 12-string guitars).

There are also a few types of vocal doublers/harmonizers (here's one for example) TC Electronics Voice Doubler (from Musician's Friend.com)

What I'd like to hear from Lindsey is just his guitar and his voice, undoctored by effects (except for some ever so slight delay/reverb for his voice)

Well that's exactly what I'm talking about. These performances nowadays are more Memorex than live.

I guess that's why RED ROVER sounds so good (& so much like the album).