Report: Britney Spears' 16-year-old sister pregnant

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Chrislit18

I personally think she idolizes her sister too much. And her mother isnt in her life enough apparently to talk about sex with her. [its a nightly conversation in my household. ] But the thing is, i always thought she was such a nice sweet girl who cared about her life.
that was short lived i guess

Well, I see what you're saying, but... you can have sex and still care about your life. Girls just need to stop being timid about it... just go get the protection you choose and keep it with you. Of course, I'm not saying YOU, Chris, I just mean.. on the whole.

Abstinence-only attitudes and sex ed programs are making this problem worse. It attaches unnecessary stigma to people for making a personal choice. For weaker personalities, I would venture a guess that it could definitely prevent a teen new to sex from going to talk to a doctor or mentor about sex issues because they're too "embarrassed" or feeling like they've done something "bad". It creates more problems than it solves really. No reason to weave morality into it; sex ed/life skills/whatever the hell the class is called needs to just teach kids about covering their asses before it gets handed to them.

[Chrislit18]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Well, I see what you're saying, but... you can have sex and still care about your life. Girls just need to stop being timid about it... just go get the protection you choose and keep it with you. Of course, I'm not saying YOU, Chris, I just mean.. on the whole.

Abstinence-only attitudes and sex ed programs are making this problem worse. It attaches unnecessary stigma to people for making a personal choice. For weaker personalities, I would venture a guess that it could definitely prevent a teen new to sex from going to talk to a doctor or mentor about sex issues because they're too "embarrassed" or feeling like they've done something "bad". It creates more problems than it solves really. No reason to weave morality into it; sex ed/life skills/whatever the hell the class is called needs to just teach kids about covering their asses before it gets handed to them.

We just finished this unit in our health class. I agree with you though about the birth control. besdies condoms, it is always good to have a backup method that the girls should use. [Here where I live, Birth Control pills are apparently free. the state pays for them which is actually a really good idea!]

While I personally am not having sex at this time, I don't think that abstinence until marriage is a good choice. You make good points about the whole thing, and its not like sex is wrong. it is a part of life that most everybody deals with, and while waiting until marriage may seem like a good idea, it is not for everybody to wait, and i think it is better to have experiences than to be clueless. [for lack of better termenology.]

I dont know, I just really think that Jamie Lynn is making a mistake. I always thought of her to be such a good girl, and maybe even a role model to young girls.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sarah

It's not that having sex at 16 makes her a "slut". It's being a dumb broad.. i.e. "completely shocked" when she realized she was knocked up that makes her a gutterslut.

Dear Jamie Lynn,

This is how babies are made. - Insert money shot clip here. -

I am sure she was aware of how babies are made.

And - I think you have a creative definition of "slut" -- Do I need to haul out my big red Dic. again show you

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Chrislit18

We just finished this unit in our health class. I agree with you though about the birth control. besdies condoms, it is always good to have a backup method that the girls should use. [Here where I live, Birth Control pills are apparently free. the state pays for them which is actually a really good idea!]

While I personally am not having sex at this time, I don't think that abstinence until marriage is a good choice. You make good points about the whole thing, and its not like sex is wrong. it is a part of life that most everybody deals with, and while waiting until marriage may seem like a good idea, it is not for everybody to wait, and i think it is better to have experiences than to be clueless. [for lack of better termenology.]

I dont know, I just really think that Jamie Lynn is making a mistake. I always thought of her to be such a good girl, and maybe even a role model to young girls.

I am unsure is she is making a mistake. The child will want for nothing. I mean the vast majority of abortions are done for financial reasons. I get that money is not everything, but she is not her sister, who seemingly is a bad parent - at least according to the media. To my knowledge, Jamie Lynn has not displayed that kind of whacked out drug induced bahavior. For all we know, she could be a good parent, though her mother apparently is problematic. Many a 16 year old turn out to be good parents

In the end, it is her choice to keep it and only time will tell. From what she says, which I do not really beleive, she says she wants the kid to grow up in Louisiana and have a normal existence. Hopefully, she'll do that and we will never hear from her again

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am unsure is she is making a mistake. The child will want for nothing.

Except intelligence in parenting.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

Except intelligence in parenting.

An assumption For all we know, she could be a good parent. Granted, her family's track record is horrid.

On edit - I do not think much is known about JLS, other than her sister is a train wreck and her mother is a poor parent, though she wrote a book on the topic.

As an aside, "Immortal Beloved" was on this morning. What a delight to hear that music when I awoke!

[skcin]

Originally Posted by David

Stupid deeds are stupid deeds, regardless of whether 1 in 6 billion commits them or whether all 6 billion do so.

Originally Posted by sara1998

I thought this said "stupid is as stupid does..." LMAO!!!

I thought it said "stupid breeds stupid." I swear, I had to reread it.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I just do not think having sex at 16 with someone you love makes you a slut To me a slut is someone who screws the high school football team after a game and, not that wasn't me
I may not like this chick for other reasons, but this ain't one of em

The only reason it wasn't you is that the boys on the football team were either straight or pretending to be.

Originally Posted by Sarah

It's not that having sex at 16 makes her a "slut". It's being a dumb broad.. i.e. "completely shocked" when she realized she was knocked up that makes her a gutterslut.

Dear Jamie Lynn,

This is how babies are made. - Insert money shot clip here. -

Yes. Yes ma'am. That's what I'm trying to say.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am unsure is she is making a mistake. The child will want for nothing. I mean the vast majority of abortions are done for financial reasons. I get that money is not everything, but she is not her sister, who seemingly is a bad parent - at least according to the media. To my knowledge, Jamie Lynn has not displayed that kind of whacked out drug induced bahavior. For all we know, she could be a good parent, though her mother apparently is problematic. Many a 16 year old turn out to be good parents

In the end, it is her choice to keep it and only time will tell. From what she says, which I do not really beleive, she says she wants the kid to grow up in Louisiana and have a normal existence. Hopefully, she'll do that and we will never hear from her again

Cuz her & Brit growing up in Lousiana really helped them be normal, right?



I can see everyone's point here, I really can. She's a kid who had an "oops." Unfortunately, it's a pretty huge "oops" and she happens to be famous, so everything's out there for the whole world to see. Whether she likes it or not, she's a role model, so she's going to be held to a higher standard & judged more harshly by the public. Really, in the end, why should we care? Big deal, good luck, now go away & raise your kid right.

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

An assumption For all we know, she could be a good parent.

It's an assumption I'm going to have to stand by, strand. It's safe to say there's but a microscopic amount of parenting wisdom in the majority of 16-year-olds in our culture (where 16 is still not adulthood). She could be a good parent, sure. She could be an astrophysicist about to crack the mysteries of dark matter, too. Life requires assumptions, strand. Wouldn't you agree? All we can do is hope that our assumptions are reasonable.

On edit - I do not think much is known about JLS, other than her sister is a train wreck and her mother is a poor parent, though she wrote a book on the topic.

I don't know any of these people. All I know is that this 16-year-old has some sort of TV show. Anything else worth knowing?

As an aside, "Immortal Beloved" was on this morning. What a delight to hear that music when I awoke!

Good music, but I thought the movie was bizarre ... in a bad way. I have some thoughts on the Eroica I'd like to share with you & the forum, but I haven't put them into words yet. I know what I want to say, but I have to try to say it simply & directly. I'm all about simple & direct, strand. In fact, I often read from my copy of Jacques Barzun's "Simple & Direct: A Rhetoric for Writers." If it were logistically possible, I'd share copies of this book with everyone here on the Ledge, & I'd ask for feedback. I'll try to put my thoughts into words on the Eroica in the next few days & share them with you. I know this symphony very well (in fact, it's even on my license plate), but it was only in listening to it once again the other day, watching a Kent Nagano performance on DVD & reading the piano reduction score in Schirmer's that these strange but fascinating thoughts occurred to me, after all these years.

Merry Christmas, strand!

[strandinthewind]

I generally love The Third, especially the daring length, when compared to Hayden or WAM.

As for Immortal Beloved - I found the strange thing about that movie was the liberties it took. But and in general, I liked it, esp. the scene where he is a young child having escaped the abusive father and lying in a pond that is reflecting the stars, all set to the choral finale, which is widely considered to be as a symphony within a symphony. Swoon Indeed!

And - Merry Christmas to you as well!