Storms - Dennis Wilson

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by Jessica

Did Bob Welch also think Christine was "holding him back?" In one of his Q&As here, he basically said she was musically unadventurous (if talented) and turned up her nose at anything he tried to do that was less mainstream. I took it with a grain of salt, because he came off as really bitter, but it makes you wonder. She was obviously the one who had the best idea of what would appeal to the broadest range of people, though, given the popularity of her songs.

Christine was always more about the music and playing. Stevie has always sold an image to go along with her songs. I mean, you don't dress like that to sing "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" or something. While I think she is a great songwriter (not a producer or arranger, obviously) and had the right voice to go with her music, I don't think she would've been as big without the image she cultivated. Her looks didn't hurt, either. The scary thing is that I don't think she planned it in the beginning. It just worked for her and she's played it up ever since. Christine did not need an image to sell her songs, but she could've been bigger than she was, had she been into that.

I think Lindsey has always believed he was more talented than either of them and that he was largely responsible for their success, which is why it ate at him that Stevie was so popular as a solo artist. Hence his "lounge act" remark. He is a talented producer, arranger and guitar player. But, most of his best songs were on Say You Will, IMO. The lyrics always seemed like an afterthought on many of of his earlier songs. Stevie's solo success and the fact that Christine made 2 great solo records and co-produced both indicates to me that they made their own success. Fleetwood Mac was great during their lineup because the combination of the 5 people was so good, not that Lindsey didn't play an important part as a producer in creating the sound.

Very interesting comments.

I think it is true to say that Christine is somewhat conservative in her musical tastes and that's where Lindsey was good for her I think to push her a little farther than she wanted to go. Christine was good for Lindsey by curbing some of his excesses. I do believe, however, that Lindsey appreciated Christine's talent although he didn't always show it! I think some of his comments after her leaving proove that he misses her, at least musically, because he knows what she brings to the band's sound.

As for Bob Welsh I think he did sound bitter in that Q&A which is not to say that he had not been on the receiving end of some of Ms McVie's sarcastic remarks. I don't think she is "backward in coming forward" as we say in England. Somebody asked him quite recently if he'd like to record with her again and he said he would but he "didn't think Christine liked him very much"

I agree that Lindsey has grown as a songwriter and I like his SYW stuff a lot except for Murrow and Come which are too long for my taste.

for me the appeal of FM was always the diversity - everyone brought something different to the mix and somehow it worked. the whole was greater than the sum of its parts. Which is why it annoys me when Lindsey talks like it was all his doing.

Anyway it doesn't look like we'll get another FM album because Stevie wont make on "in this lifetime" without Christine because "they tried it once and it didn't work".

Gail

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by Gailh

Anyway it doesn't look like we'll get another FM album because Stevie wont make on "in this lifetime" without Christine because "they tried it once and it didn't work".

Gail

It's funny that she says that. I rather liked the album and thought it worked just fine. I missed Christine's sound on it, definitely. As has been said many times, it was really like a 2nd Buckingham Nicks album with the FM rhythm section. It didn't sound much like what I think of Fleetwood Mac, but, then again, they hadn't recorded a studio album with both S and L since TITN, which had a very '80s sound. I'll say it again. Too bad C won't just record with them. They've managed to do OK touring without her, but her contributions are missed on the record. From what she said, she seemed to enjoy the creative process in the studio and she loves how she sounds with S and L. Guess it's just more pressure than she needs or wants.

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by Gailh

for me the appeal of FM was always the diversity - everyone brought something different to the mix and somehow it worked. the whole was greater than the sum of its parts.

I Agree. In my opinion, that's why the White Album & Rumours were so popular, both with critics & record buyers. They were true BAND albums. They had input from everyone in the band.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Gailh

As for Bob Welch ....Somebody asked him quite recently if he'd like to record with her again and he said he would but he "didn't think Christine liked him very much"

This is probably true, due to the law suit--and that's sad because at one time they were quite close. In her Rumors-era interviews Chris praised Bob profusely and spoke of him with genuine affection.

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

This is probably true, due to the law suit--and that's sad because at one time they were quite close. In her Rumors-era interviews Chris praised Bob profusely and spoke of him with genuine affection.

I wouldn't much like someone who sued me, either. From what he said in the Q&A, Bob gives the impression that he never really cared for Christine as a person. He mostly made complimentary remarks about her as a musician, other than his opinion that she stays in a comfort zone. But, I remember reading more than one interview where C said that she had always gotten along well with Bob. Was she lying? Did Bob's bitterness color his memories? Did he hide his dislike of her over the years?

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by Jessica

I wouldn't much like someone who sued me, either. From what he said in the Q&A, Bob gives the impression that he never really cared for Christine as a person. He mostly made complimentary remarks about her as a musician, other than his opinion that she stays in a comfort zone. But, I remember reading more than one interview where C said that she had always gotten along well with Bob. Was she lying? Did Bob's bitterness color his memories? Did he hide his dislike of her over the years?

I agree. I don't think I'd be too fond of someone who was suing me. I think that's why Bob didn't get inducted in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame - no one in FM was prepared to make a fuss about it.

As far as I remember in the first Q&A Bob was rude about Mick and John as well but he seems to have made up with Mick at least.

I always got the impression that Christine like him but it looks like the law suit soured their relationship.

Gail

[macfan 57]

Back in the 1980's, Chris had some very nice things to say about Bob. She called him a wonderful man in one interview I have. I think the lawsuit changed everything. I can't exactly blame her. I wouldn't have any nice things to say about someone if they had sued me. In Bob's first Q & A, he said some very nasty, personal things about Chris. Who knows? She may have read it. She has checked out this website. He toned it down alot in his second Q & A after he had reconciled with Mick. It's a shame because they seemed to have a nice chemistry together in Fleetwood Mac & seemed to be good friends as well.

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

Back in the 1980's, Chris had some very nice things to say about Bob. She called him a wonderful man in one interview I have. I think the lawsuit changed everything. I can't exactly blame her. I wouldn't have any nice things to say about someone if they had sued me. In Bob's first Q & A, he said some very nasty, personal things about Chris. Who knows? She may have read it. She has checked out this website. He toned it down alot in his second Q & A after he had reconciled with Mick. It's a shame because they seemed to have a nice chemistry together in Fleetwood Mac & seemed to be good friends as well.

How do we know she's checked out this site? Keep in mind that I haven't hung out here much the last few years.

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by Jessica

How do we know she's checked out this site? Keep in mind that I haven't hung out here much the last few years.

Didn't she once send an email to Lis?

Gail