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[Sugar]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

There's a huge catalog of amazing songs he's written, but I don't think they compare to Stevie's catalog and the intensity therein. I think to say that Stevie's image is what made her and afforded her a solo career that swallowed Lindsey's is a gross misinterpretation.

I'm not saying Stevie is a talentless hack! But how can you say Lindsey's songs lack intensity? You make it sound like he's been writing jingles!

And I think plenty of Stevie's solo career was wrapped up in her image. Realistically, Lindsey didn't have an image, while she did. After all no one was showing up to concerts dressed like Linds! I think her feminine empowerment was a lot of what was selling.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Sugar

I'm not saying Stevie is a talentless hack! But how can you say Lindsey's songs lack intensity? You make it sound like he's been writing jingles!

I know you weren't saying that and I didn't mean to suggest that's what you were saying. I think I made it clear that Lindsey's is an amazing songwriter as well.

Originally Posted by Sugar

And I think plenty of Stevie's solo career was wrapped up in her image. Realistically, Lindsey didn't have an image, while she did. After all no one was showing up to concerts dressed like Linds! I think her feminine empowerment was a lot of what was selling.

sure, a lot of her career is based on her image and I don't disagree with any of this. I was disagreeing with you in that at the core of her success was, and is, her music, first and foremost.

would you say Martha Graham's success was the most important part of her career and success or her actual talent? a ****ty comparison, I know...but I did use Cher at first...so cut me some slack.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

OMG

Jaw-dropping, no?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Jaw-dropping, no?

I wonder if she had heard of this song? If Waddy came up with the riff, it is possible she thought it was his alone. After all, the Police song was not a hit, etc.

I cannot remember now, but is there a piano demo or working demos of EO17 prior to the riff being made?

[strandinthewind]

[QUOTE=JazmenFlowers;709123 . . . but I did use Cher at first...so cut me some slack. [/QUOTE]



rimshot on that one dahlin'

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I cannot remember now, but is there a piano demo or working demos of EO17 prior to the riff being made?

Nothing like that that I can think of. To my mind, all the "demos" sound more like rought cuts of the final...though I may be wrong.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Nothing like that that I can think of. To my mind, all the "demos" sound more like rought cuts of the final...though I may be wrong.

I thought so. But, I no longer trust my memory, which is sad as my quick wit is lessened

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

sure, a lot of her career is based on her image and I don't disagree with any of this. I was disagreeing with you in that at the core of her success was, and is, her music, first and foremost.

would you say Martha Graham's success was the most important part of her career and success or her actual talent? a ****ty comparison, I know...but I did use Cher at first...so cut me some slack.

I don't know nearly enough Martha Graham to comment on that specifically, But I doy believe that the reason Stevie was so popular wasn't because all these people were running around saying, "Hey did you hear that amazing Stevie song? She's such an amazing songwriter," though there are plenty in that contingency, me among them!

But that the credit for her widespread success --AKA a wide base of casual fans --probably goes a lot to her image, more of the "She's so cool. I love the way she dresses," variety. I mean, there are people here who don't want her to cut her hair because, "That just wouldn't be Stevie!" I don't think people said that about Carole King or Joni Mitchell.

Again, it's not that the songs weren't good, but the image gave her an edge (one Linds didn't have).

[JazmenFlowers]

^^^
no one's arguing that angle. I said "core" - ok, based on that post, I can see your point and I agree.

clearly, you were making one point and I was attempting to make another.

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have often thought about this. ISA is brilliant as are most of his lyrics.

I think What's The World Coming To is his best song. It reminds me mostly of Warren Zevon, & I think it's as good as anything Zevon or Randy Newman ever wrote: as sly & humorous & ironic. But it's a very conventional recording for the 2000s, unless you consider it retro-unconventional.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

^^^
no one's arguing that angle. I said "core" - ok, based on that post, I can see your point and I agree.

clearly, you were making one point and I was attempting to make another.

No big.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think that she likely is the better of the two because her stuff is more mysterious in that she rarely uses "I" -- so you have to think about the subject more.

If she's labeled as more mysterious, it's because no one has a freaking clue what she's talking about most of the time, which I get is part of her appeal.

If you would have asked me, say, 10 years ago, who was the superior songwriter -- Stevie or Lindsey -- I would have said Stevie, hands down. Right now, I think Lindsey is better. His material on SYW and GOS/UTS was, lyrically, the best he's written IMO. Stevie is still capable of great songwriting ("Trouble in Shangri-La"), but she's been very, very spotty the last decade. As for whose overall catalog is better, I say it's a draw.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

I think What's The World Coming To is his best song. It reminds me mostly of Warren Zevon, & I think it's as good as anything Zevon or Randy Newman ever wrote: as sly & humorous & ironic. But it's a very conventional recording for the 2000s, unless you consider it retro-unconventional.

I liked the song, but found the lyrics a tad trite, mostly due to his incessant whining about record companies since 1978.

But, I do like the song and I agree on its inherent Zevonism and Newmanism.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

If she's labeled as more mysterious, it's because no one has a freaking clue what she's talking about most of the time, which I get is part of her appeal.

If you would have asked me, say, 10 years ago, who was the superior songwriter -- Stevie or Lindsey -- I would have said Stevie, hands down. Right now, I think Lindsey is better. His material on SYW and GOS/UTS was, lyrically, the best he's written IMO. Stevie is still capable of great songwriting ("Trouble in Shangri-La"), but she's been very, very spotty the last decade. As for whose overall catalog is better, I say it's a draw.

I have often wondered if that is because she has so much more material out there. I think if you took all her clearly great stuff, it would exceed his in number. But, that is subjective and to each their own

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I wonder if she had heard of this song? If Waddy came up with the riff, it is possible she thought it was his alone. After all, the Police song was not a hit, etc.

I don't hear any major similarity between the two. The percussion pattern sort of, but other than that, nothing to my ears.
If you take the Heart song "Barracuda" & slow the tempo by about a third, that's a lot more Edge Of Seventeenish.