New interview

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, why would LB keep running back to FM if he were not?

Maybe he actually likes working with these people. Now, I don't have every FM quote committed to memory, but haven't these things always started with, "Well I needed some help on my album so I called Mick..." Then everyone ends up showing up and well...it's a FM album! I certainly don't know what happens, but it's not hard for me to imagine that Mick pushes the whole "let's make this an FM thing," due in no small part that it would mean some cash for him and John.

Since the Dance and in the DR doc, Lindsey seems positively giddy to work with the members of FM, including Stevie, but certainly with John and Mick as well. Certainly Linds has bills to pay and he wants financial success (as do we all), but if he was so driven by commercial success why in the hell would he EVER make a solo album?

[strandinthewind]

^^^

Oh - I think he likes FM more than he will ever admit. I also think he likes working with La Nicks (and vice versa) way more than he ever will admit

In the end, I view him as torn. He loves the limelight (perhaps more than the money) - but wants to have it shine as brightly on his in your face non-conformist stuff, like "Come." Yet, he cannot have it that way because that stuff just does not sell as well as say a "Big Love," which I submit was still edgy. I think he then goes to FM and wants to be way outside of the mainstream and CM and La Nicks are just not that, esp. CM, who is all about pop songs, and delicious ones at that.

As for why he ever made a solo record - I think it is because Stevie made one without him and it was a huge success, which had to hurt his ego. I also think that he really wanted to test leaving FM, a group he struggled to stay in IMO as set forth above. Yet, he, unlike Stevie, never reached that superstar status with his solo stuff. Unlike her, he still needed FM to stay in the limelight to any significant degree. Again, his music was great, but he just did not have, in the eyes of the public, star quality. He could not sell four million records on his own. That had to hurt.

[Sugar]

^^^ I'm not so sure about the vice-versa. You don't hear Linds saying the same stuff about Stevie in interviews that she says about him. Not to belabor the point, but I think Lindsey's time away from the band gave him a chance to process and come to terms with Stevie-ness; I'm not certain that she ever gave herself the chance to do the same and that she finds herself falling back into hostilities that he has since dealt with and moved on.

Sure he's torn. He has his vision and wants to remain true to it, and who doesn't want their vision validated by wide-spread acceptance? And OBVIOUSLY he likes being on stage!

Generally speaking, I agree with your reasoning as to why he made Law & Order. Can you imagine the level of competition between those two in the early 80's? Had it been successful, it also would have validated his vision which he had already taken a lot of crap for after the "failure" of Tusk.

My point is that if he is so driven by commercial success, why in the hell would he have ever made another solo album (let alone 3) after the dismal commercial failure of L&O?

[strandinthewind]

I think L&O sold okay, but comparatively much weaker to anything FM or La Nicks sold.

I think he continued his solo carreer for the same reason - commercial success. He would love to have had a hit with the Go Insane material as well as his OOTC stuff. Same with the new stuff. It just did not happen. That is sad to me because the guy really is brilliant, even if his own stuff mostly is not for the masses and mostly by his own design.

But, I think his solo stuff was designed to be commercially viable, esp. the 80's stuff.

As for LB moving on - I am unsure. I hope he has - her too.

On edit - I like talking about this and my tone is jovial

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think he continued his solo carreer for the same reason - commercial success. He would love to have had a hit with the Go Insane material as well as his OOTC stuff. Same with the new stuff. It just did not happen.

Yeah, but the solo albums weren't commercially successful, at least not compared to FM albums. Which says to me he was much more driven by artistic vision than by commercial sucess. Sure he would have loved to have had a hit with the solo stuff, and certainly he had hits with FM. If it was all about commercial sucess, he would have stuck with the tried and true formula of FM.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, I think his solo stuff was designed to be commercially viable, esp. the 80's stuff.

Oh yeah. Play in the Rain, I Must Go, DWSuite...truly the stuff of the masses.

PS I'm guessing you meant comparitively "designed to be commercially viable," which I may be able to see, but I couldn't help a little jab.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

On edit - I like talking about this and my tone is jovial

Oh God yeah! Go figure, none of us really know anything! Even if you rely on what's said in interviews, puh-leeze. Hardly concrete proof with these folks! And I am too old to get all caught up in 25 year old drama that ain't even mine!

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Oh God yeah! Go figure, none of us really know anything! Even if you rely on what's said in interviews, puh-leeze. Hardly concrete proof with these folks! And I am too old to get all caught up in 25 year old drama that ain't even mine!

Amen on that one! LOL.. After reading all of the articles and re-reading some of La Nick's articles with all of the contradictory stuff, where we all have to "read between her lines" - It all makes our lives seem WONDERFUL! LOL

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Yeah, but the solo albums weren't commercially successful, at least not compared to FM albums. Which says to me he was much more driven by artistic vision than by commercial sucess. Sure he would have loved to have had a hit with the solo stuff, and certainly he had hits with FM. If it was all about commercial sucess, he would have stuck with the tried and true formula of FM.



Oh yeah. Play in the Rain, I Must Go, DWSuite...truly the stuff of the masses.

PS I'm guessing you meant comparitively "designed to be commercially viable," which I may be able to see, but I couldn't help a little jab.

Don't try Sugar, Strand just refuses to see that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Yeah, but the solo albums weren't commercially successful, at least not compared to FM albums. Which says to me he was much more driven by artistic vision than by commercial sucess. Sure he would have loved to have had a hit with the solo stuff, and certainly he had hits with FM. If it was all about commercial sucess, he would have stuck with the tried and true formula of FM.

But, that is my point, he wants commercial success with the comparatively outlandish. Tusk, the song, is a good example of this. Would that crazy and brilliant song have been a hit without FM - who can say for sure. But, it was. So, I think he thought he could do that alternative, quirky stuff on his own and have a hit with it. I do not think he ever released those 80's record without thinking they would be commercially viable to the tune of a few million sold. He had no reason not to IMO.

Originally Posted by Sugar

Oh yeah. Play in the Rain, I Must Go, DWSuite...truly the stuff of the masses.

PS I'm guessing you meant comparitively "designed to be commercially viable," which I may be able to see, but I couldn't help a little jab.

HUSSY

I think LB smartly peppered his first two solo records with some hit material amongst the quirkier stuff. Interestingly and with the exception of "Come," his SYW stuff was rather mainstream and very commercial oriented.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Don't try Sugar, Strand just refuses to see that.

LB is a talentless hack who continues to need La Nicks' coat tails to ride upon

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, that is my point, he wants commercial success with the comparatively outlandish. Tusk, the song, is a good example of this. Would that crazy and brilliant song have been a hit without FM - who can say for sure. But, it was. So, I think he thought he could do that alternative, quirky stuff on his own and have a hit with it. I do not think he ever released those 80's record without thinking they would be commercially viable to the tune of a few million sold. He had no reason not to IMO.

Ah, so your point is he is commercially driven and was delusional enough to think "his vision" would be embraced comercially -- even though not one of his solo albums did "well" comercially.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

HUSSY

Yeah. And?

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think LB smartly peppered his first two solo records with some hit material amongst the quirkier stuff. Interestingly and with the exception of "Come," his SYW stuff was rather mainstream and very commercial oriented.

Sure. Loving Cup sounds positively out of place next to DW Suite and I often wondered why it wasn't released as a single, and certainly the GOS stuff isn't as "experimental" as much of the stuff on L&O, GI, or even Tusk. So was this natural growth or a deliberate swing to the mainstream? The world may never know..

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Ah, so your point is he is commercially driven and was delusional enough to think "his vision" would be embraced comercially -- even though not one of his solo albums did "well" comercially . . . .

I think he would have loved to have had some quirky thing like "Come" be a huge multi platinum hit - it would be his way at thumbing his nose at his non mainstream becoming the mainstream, etc.

Isn't it interesting that La Nicks often claims she could not write a hit single to save her life - and, she really never has, other than Dreams, Sara, and Gypsy - the latter two heavily if not totally influenced by LB. I suppose Landlside became a hit, but 25 or so years after it was written.

But, it still remains that many if not most of her hit singles, by her own admission, were written, or heavily influenced, by someone else. The only one I can think of is E017, which she readily give WW credit for on the guitar riff, which rather makes that song.

In fact, I cannot think of any song that all her.

Note - she was the moving force behind many of them and, without her personage and voice (which are her talent) - they may have not been hits.

Finally - "Holiday Road" - which I suggest was quirky and could have been a hit, was on a movie soundtrack - go figure

[Liza]

This is fantastic news for us fans in the UK an article in a UK mag. I reckon they are trying to sus out the fans, do a bit of promotional stuff based on FWM and see if they can get CV successful - and if it does well - then Stevie might come and do a few concerts - how wonderful.

Wishful thinking!!!

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think he would have loved to have had some quirky thing like "Come" be a huge multi platinum hit - it would be his way at thumbing his nose at his non mainstream becoming the mainstream, etc.

Absolutely. But IMO hoping and wanting to be a commercial success isn't the same as being comercially driven.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Isn't it interesting that La Nicks often claims she could not write a hit single to save her life - and, she really never has, other than Dreams, Sara, and Gypsy - the latter two heavily if not totally influenced by LB. I suppose Landlside became a hit, but 25 or so years after it was written.

But, it still remains that many if not most of her hit singles, by her own admission, were written, or heavily influenced, by someone else. The only one I can think of is E017, which she readily give WW credit for on the guitar riff, which rather makes that song.

Giving credit to The Police would have been more appropriate.

Certainly Stevie's persona was more what made her popular than her music per se, though her music certainly fed the persona. The songs on their own IMO would never have been as popular independent of her. It was her image, her beauty, the pathos she inserted into those songs that sold them. No doubt, that REALLY bugged the crap outta Linds!

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Finally - "Holiday Road" - which I suggest was quirky and could have been a hit, was on a movie soundtrack - go figure

Indeed, and yet it may actually be one of his best known songs! I made CD for a guy at work with GOS songs and filled out the time with other solo material, including Holiday Road. He told me a few weeks later that his teenage daughter was listening to the CD and that she snagged one of the songs on it for her iPod...Holiday Road.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Certainly Stevie's persona was more what made her popular than her music per se, though her music certainly fed the persona. The songs on their own IMO would never have been as popular independent of her. It was her image, her beauty, the pathos she inserted into those songs that sold them. No doubt, that REALLY bugged the crap outta Linds!

I don't think that's true. I do think that her persona feeds her career heavily, but it's always been Stevie's music at the core of her success, I believe. maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but it seems like you're saying it was image first, music second...when, in fact, I think it's exactly the opposite.