Much of US favors Bush impeachment: poll

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I don't think that's true. Pelosi is 3rd in line to be President but that doesn't make her 2nd in line to be VP. If Cheney is impeached, then Bush chooses a new VP. And Cheney would resign before being impeached anyway.

Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (Amended)

(As Amended)
US Code as of: 01/23/00

Sec. 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act

(a)
(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.

[Richard B]

I'd love to see the Bush Administration go down in flames in history books with the strong word of impeachment. Forever.

Yes, it would take time and resources, but a lot of political and economic damage can happen during his 18 months that can have a greater effect later in time and that will be hard for the next administration to resolve.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (Amended)

(As Amended)
US Code as of: 01/23/00

Sec. 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act

(a)
(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.

That is succession of President in the case of both President and Vice-President removed from office or being killed, etc. That's when Speaker becomes President. But if only the VP position becomes vacant, the President names the successor.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

That is succession of President in the case of both President and Vice-President removed from office or being killed, etc. That's when Speaker becomes President. But if only the VP position becomes vacant, the President names the successor.

Congress would have to approve it.
ON EDIT: You are correct. It's spelled out in the 25th amendment. I should have known that. Oh well, it's not like we go around impeaching the vice president every day.

[Chrislit18]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Impeaching isn't stupid; it is a vital and treasured recourse in a democracy. As for wasting taxpayer dollars, it's not like Congress is getting a hell of a lot done these days, so I'm fine with them spending some of my $$ to get to the truth and hold Bush/Cheney accountable.

You're right about motives. If it's just to get them out of office or end the war, impeachment isn't the way to go. If it's to get to some truth and help ensure all of this never happens again, then I support it.

I just dont think we should waste the money, but if its what most of america wants then it shoud be done. sorry if i came across rude
I do think that Bush/Cheney need to come clean about thier actions though, like if they really did go into the middle east JUST because of 9/11. I think that at least Bush wanted to go in to finish what his father started in the late 80s-early 90s. thats JMO though

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Chrislit18

I do think that Bush/Cheney need to come clean about thier actions though, like if they really did go into the middle east JUST because of 9/11.

Hate to sound like a broken record but you do know that 9/11 and Iraq have nothing to do with each other right?
Also they were planning to get into Iraq well before 9/11. Supposedly it's what Cheney's secret energy meetings were about.

Originally Posted by Chrislit18

I think that at least Bush wanted to go in to finish what his father started in the late 80s-early 90s. thats JMO though

Maybe that's how they sold it to Junior. But Cheney and his associates made a hell of a lot of money off of this war.

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Hate to sound like a broken record but you do know that 9/11 and Iraq have nothing to do with each other right?
Also they were planning to get into Iraq well before 9/11. Supposedly it's what Cheney's secret energy meetings were about.



Maybe that's how they sold it to Junior. But Cheney and his associates made a hell of a lot of money off of this war.

The whole thing is a disgrace. Shame on anyone who voted for this administration!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Hate to sound like a broken record but you do know that 9/11 and Iraq have nothing to do with each other right?
Also they were planning to get into Iraq well before 9/11. Supposedly it's what Cheney's secret energy meetings were about . . . .

That is not exactly true. Yes, SH had no culpability in the 9/11 attacks. anyone who says he did is wrong.

But, the US' policy and the world's policy through the UN prior to 9/11 and prior to W was that SH was a terrorist sitting on a stockpile of WMD. It made sense then after the US was attacked to go after SH, along with Al-Q, because of the potential threat - the entire world agreed to this through the UN. W, however, could not stop at the newly ordered inspections in Iraq. So, he invaded Iraq. If W had succeeded in the invasion and all had gone well, which the events during and after the first Iraq war suggested would be the case, then W's anxious invasion would have been overlooked by the vast majority of the world. Again, much if not all of the Arab world had been chomping at the bit to oust SH and this was their vehicle to do so without blood on their own hands. Things did not go well however; so, W is hated.

I suppose it all boils down to the war on terror and what that is. Surely SH according to unanimous world opinion via the UN fit the definition of a terrorist and a player in the war on terror. So, would it have been enough not to do anything in Iraq after 9/11 and, thus, ignore all of the prior 10 + years of killing in the name of ridding the world of the threat of SH? I suppose that is a conclusion we may all differ on.

Personally, I take Pres. Clinton's view of the inspections should have been allowed to conclude. Any subsequent military action should have been based on the results. That position solidly supports that the events of 9/11 effected how the world viewed Iraq and SH's refusal to cooperate in the hunt for the WMD. Thus, 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq are related even though SH was not responsible for bombing the US on 9/11.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

. . . But Cheney and his associates made a hell of a lot of money off of this war.

I don't think Cheney made any significant amount of money off the war

But, clearly his associates did.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I don't think Cheney made any significant amount of money off the war

Oh yes, that's right. He deferred his compensation from Haliburton while he was vice president.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Also they were planning to get into Iraq well before 9/11. Supposedly it's what Cheney's secret energy meetings were about.

I absolutely believe this as well. The company I work for is very involved in Iraq. One of the worlds largest oil fields lies underneath southern Kurdistan, which I think is the real reason we're in Iraq.... Also, I don't believe the US has any intention of pulling out of Iraq. I find it ironic that the company I work for was just awarded 35 million to begin construction of a military command center. In Iraq. A command center - LARGER THAN THE VATICAN CITY. And the Democrats are gonna get us out of Iraq? Uh-huh, yeah, sure.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

[Chrislit18]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Hate to sound like a broken record but you do know that 9/11 and Iraq have nothing to do with each other right?
Also they were planning to get into Iraq well before 9/11. Supposedly it's what Cheney's secret energy meetings were about.



Maybe that's how they sold it to Junior. But Cheney and his associates made a hell of a lot of money off of this war.

thats true. they did make a lot of money off the war, plus bush did also, as he has oil plants [srry forgot the official name], and with the gas prices rising as they did/still are he must have made a quick buck. and 9/11 took us into afaganistan right? [im sorry if im getting my facts messed up, i was like 8 when this happened, im just going off memory.-dont yell at me for it LOL-]

I think it was alright though-not completely-but we did get hussein out of power, and that was a good point of invading.

[JWS]

Originally Posted by Chrislit18

thats true. they did make a lot of money off the war, plus bush did also, as he has oil plants [srry forgot the official name], and with the gas prices rising as they did/still are he must have made a quick buck. and 9/11 took us into afaganistan right? [im sorry if im getting my facts messed up, i was like 8 when this happened, im just going off memory.-dont yell at me for it LOL-]

I think it was alright though-not completely-but we did get hussein out of power, and that was a good point of invading.

Christine, Saddam was an evil person and the world is better off with him gone. But, that is not a good reason for invading a country. Kim Il Jong of North Korea boasts of a nuclear weapons program with missiles that could hit Seattle. Lets go invade that country. How about Cuba? Or Iran? I'm sure we could find a few more countries whose leaders we don't like.

All the reasons given to justify going into Iraq have proven to be false. And now we're bogged down and can't get out.

[gldstwmn]

Oh I'm not yelling at you at all. Please don't take it that way. It's just that this administration never fails to continue to try to link Saddam and 9/11 and every time I see someone taking the bait, I feel compelled to point out that this is not the case.
Also if you like history, there are a lot of smart, engaging people around here that like to talk about it. Sometimes we play a little rough. Please don't be put off by it.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by Chrislit18

I just dont think we should waste the money, but if its what most of america wants then it shoud be done. sorry if i came across rude

I did not think you were rude. I was just disagreeing with you.