Rick Turner Model 1

[madformac]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Madness, as far as the electric technique I'm assuming you mean "The Chain"..."So Afraid" and stuff like "Go Your Own Way" even? I started off never using a pick. I learned some licks from a youth pastor of mine (who was in a Christian rock band) and he used a pick. It never felt natural to me. When I picked up guitar seriously in 1998 i left the pick behind completely. Any basis I had for my own style came directly from "The Dance." I would say "Dreams" off that album is a good starter. Its VERY easy to play and its got some good fingerpicking parts. If you want to get more into the "fingernail flailing" then try "The Chain" and "So Afraid".

The thing I notice the most among people who dont finger pick often is they end up hitting a lot of other strings with their nails. What works for me is to constantly move my thumb (if I'm not using it) the string ABOVE the string I am actually picking so as to mute that string (in case you strike it while picking). You can notice Lindsey does this too, I think.

I dont know if this helps you any at all. Playing is more a vibe for me rather than a technique, because I suppose I dont have one. I'm pretty sloppy, in my own opinion. ChiliD (Steve) might be a better help on this matter. I'd be much more helpful to you if I could "teach" you in person...which I dont think is gonna happen!

~brandon~

I never really used a pick either. In fact I wish I could use one at times because there are things I want to do that are not as easy with your fingers (pinched harmonics etc..).

I've always played with my fingers and strummed with my nails so I don't know any different. I do mute the strings above the ones I'm picking with my thumb and palm muting too of course. But I never learned this stuff, just subconsciously fell into it probably. I never took any lessons or anything so my technique is not exactly orthodox and as Brandon said, I'm "sloppy". A guitar teacher would cringe at my finger positions but them I guess pros like Lindsey or people like us would all get the same reaction.. But it works for me. After you have been playing a few years you fall into your own techniques and bad habits, if you will. Its a bit like driving. If I had to keep both hands on the wheel now I'd go nuts!

"I'm So Afraid" and "The Chain" are very rewarding songs to fingerpick when you hit them just right. But it takes a degree of time to get it right. No overnight successes.

As for the Model 1. Its utterly useless for those who like to hang around on the dusty end of the fingerboard (I'm one of those hence I play Strats and stuff mostly). The upper fret access is appalling for an electric but its impossible for it to be any other way given the design.. But look at classical players, upper fret access is crap on a classical guitar but they adapt technique and make it work. The Model 1 is basically a very aggressive Les Paul packaged into a classical shape with the strings placed perfectly for fingerpickers. Like an acoustic that's overdone the steroids..

Its unique in the guitar world and with that come its eccentricities. You have to say "okay, so how do I work around this?" and then you get used to it..

Its not an easy guitar to play and it makes you a better player by making sure you treat it in a disciplined way. You can't get away with sloppy chords playing on a clean setting with this guitar. But play it the right way and it rewards a hell of a lot.

I think its best suited to power chords and heavier stuff personally. Makes a great rock rhythm guitar (only problem is its so damn loud it drowns the lead player!!)

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by madformac

(only problem is its so damn loud it drowns the lead player!!)

Which, depending on the lead player, could be a GOOD thing!

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by madformac

I never really used a pick either. In fact I wish I could use one at times because there are things I want to do that are not as easy with your fingers (pinched harmonics etc..).

I've always played with my fingers and strummed with my nails so I don't know any different. I do mute the strings above the ones I'm picking with my thumb and palm muting too of course. But I never learned this stuff, just subconsciously fell into it probably. I never took any lessons or anything so my technique is not exactly orthodox and as Brandon said, I'm "sloppy". A guitar teacher would cringe at my finger positions but them I guess pros like Lindsey or people like us would all get the same reaction.. But it works for me. After you have been playing a few years you fall into your own techniques and bad habits, if you will. Its a bit like driving. If I had to keep both hands on the wheel now I'd go nuts!

"I'm So Afraid" and "The Chain" are very rewarding songs to fingerpick when you hit them just right. But it takes a degree of time to get it right. No overnight successes.

As for the Model 1. Its utterly useless for those who like to hang around on the dusty end of the fingerboard (I'm one of those hence I play Strats and stuff mostly). The upper fret access is appalling for an electric but its impossible for it to be any other way given the design.. But look at classical players, upper fret access is crap on a classical guitar but they adapt technique and make it work. The Model 1 is basically a very aggressive Les Paul packaged into a classical shape with the strings placed perfectly for fingerpickers. Like an acoustic that's overdone the steroids..

Its unique in the guitar world and with that come its eccentricities. You have to say "okay, so how do I work around this?" and then you get used to it..

Its not an easy guitar to play and it makes you a better player by making sure you treat it in a disciplined way. You can't get away with sloppy chords playing on a clean setting with this guitar. But play it the right way and it rewards a hell of a lot.

I think its best suited to power chords and heavier stuff personally. Makes a great rock rhythm guitar (only problem is its so damn loud it drowns the lead player!!)

J,

THe guitar has been sent back...Rick is indeed working on a new one for me. He said he "realized" very quickly that it was not built to my spec as I had previously requested. The neck wasnt a tapered neck at all...he apologised for that. So he told me to tell him...line for line, word for word exactly what I want and he'd "get it right"...He said he'd have it done for me within 3-4 weeks.

~B~

[Lindsey Jr.]

Mhm, I've always wanted one, you know that , but I've read many "horror" stories about Rick's company. So, no, and I'm much more a "bass lover" now, but of course the model 1 looks awesome and is unique.

But 4000 dollars is a lot of money and if I had payed it, the only thing I would want is perfection. If you make such a special instrument, that 90% of the people doesn't know of, make it perfect.

One little problem is nothing, it can happen, but not too much please.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Lindsey Jr.

So, no, and I'm much more a "bass lover" now, but of course the model 1 looks awesome and is unique.

model one bass, yo.

[Lindsey Jr.]

Originally Posted by Sarah

model one bass, yo.

Yo, I'm not that rich. But then again, it's even more exclusive...

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Lindsey Jr.

Yo, I'm not that rich. But then again, it's even more exclusive...

Me neither. But you would be in tight company. I've only seen photos of that one and a sunburst one.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

J,

THe guitar has been sent back...Rick is indeed working on a new one for me. He said he "realized" very quickly that it was not built to my spec as I had previously requested. The neck wasnt a tapered neck at all...he apologised for that. So he told me to tell him...line for line, word for word exactly what I want and he'd "get it right"...He said he'd have it done for me within 3-4 weeks.

~B~

Thats great. Make sure you request Schaller M1 tuners in Chrome if you want the same ones Lindsey uses..

The latest episode from Planet Turner for me was the original M1 knobs were sent out to me. 3 are great, one has a missing grub screw and the thread is stripped on it too! lol. Seems I'm destined never to have it right.... This comes after I took the headstock off my new telecaster with a flightcase that slipped by accident at the weekend.. I think the gods are telling me to stick with my beloved Strat...

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by madformac

This comes after I took the headstock off my new telecaster with a flightcase that slipped by accident at the weekend..

Oh my God!

The horror!

I would cry, but I'm a girl.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Oh my God!

The horror!

I would cry, but I'm a girl.

I'm getting it fixed and gonna relic the neck on it. Always fancied one. Well technically I already have one cos my '62 Strat has 45 years of playing scars and road knocks. Glad it wasn't the '62 that got nailed 'cos the cost of one of those is... Considerable!

Oh the Schaller tuners are M6 Chrome not M1.. All the Model 1 "M1" stuff went to my head! haha.

[Livia]

Congrats! That's a fine-lookin' instrument!

[Madness Fades]

Brandon,
You've had thad thad Model 1 a few months now. Whats your opinion of it now.

Also I got the Fender Vintage strap and its literally 1cm thick its not the strap lindsey uses. Has anyone found out yet.

Does anyone have a contact for Ray Lindsey??

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by madformac

Thats great. Make sure you request Schaller M1 tuners in Chrome if you want the same ones Lindsey uses..

The latest episode from Planet Turner for me was the original M1 knobs were sent out to me. 3 are great, one has a missing grub screw and the thread is stripped on it too! lol. Seems I'm destined never to have it right.... This comes after I took the headstock off my new telecaster with a flightcase that slipped by accident at the weekend.. I think the gods are telling me to stick with my beloved Strat...

well I suppose 3-4 people working at Turners doesnt keep the place running very smoothly. I know that have a young lady that answers the phone and does the mailing stuff and she told me she works non stop thruout the day trying to keep up with everything while Barry and Rick are off in the shop!