Nicks steps onstage and back in time on new tour

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

if the boys all want to do something a certain way, Stevie's completely outnumbered.

do you honestly believe that? i love me some la nicks just as much as the next person but i dare say stevie is the keeper of the keys, if you will. i think the fact that she is the only member of the bunch with a seriously viable solo career [and that is certainly no jab at lindsey] gets thrown around a lot and used to her advantage. i can see if she doesn't get her own way that she'd threaten to walk. we saw that kind of behavior in the documentary. jmo, of course.

[Glittermoondust]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

One thing that happened on the SYW tour, as i recall it, was that Lindsey had told Stevie she shoudn't be dressing up in her costumes or girly clothes (something to that effect) and she should just be casual on stage...and Stevie was NOT pleased by this (as you all can imagine). If Chris was there, Lindsey would have kept his mouth shut about that...

Well thank God she didn't listen to him for this current tour--her clothes for this tour ROCKS!!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

do you honestly believe that? i love me some la nicks just as much as the next person but i dare say stevie is the keeper of the keys, if you will. i think the fact that she is the only member of the bunch with a seriously viable solo career [and that is certainly no jab at lindsey] gets thrown around a lot and used to her advantage. i can see if she doesn't get her own way that she'd threaten to walk. we saw that kind of behavior in the documentary. jmo, of course.

Yes, we saw that kind of behavior in the documentary... from Lindsey. You know, the fellow who threatened to take back two-thirds of his songs and leave the band with the "safest" stuff, if they didn't go along with his plan for a double-album ("I own the masters").

There's only one primadonna in Fleetwood Mac, and it's not Stevie Nicks.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

She already has said that. She said it in some of the Australian interviews, and she said it in a radio interview prior to the first Vegas shows.

Hm, I don't think she's ever specifically said "They're all mean old buggers and I never get to weigh in on the decisions, if Christine had been there we both would have told everyone to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.".

Especially the Christine stuff is something that didn't start until a few weeks ago. It used to always be 'sure, we miss Christine, but we're having a great time, we get to do something different now'. It's always the bitching after the fact, and I'm just not buying it. First it was an album, now it's suddenly also a tour. I can get on board with recording an album and missing that presence, but on tour? They don't even have to see each other outside of those two hours on stage.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Yes, we saw that kind of behavior in the documentary... from Lindsey. You know, the fellow who threatened to take back two-thirds of his songs and leave the band with the "safest" stuff, if they didn't go along with his plan for a double-album ("I own the masters").

There's only one primadonna in Fleetwood Mac, and it's not Stevie Nicks.

Nope, Stevie did it also. She threatened to do only 40 dates if she didn't get her way and Lindsey had to compromise.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Yes, we saw that kind of behavior in the documentary... from Lindsey. You know, the fellow who threatened to take back two-thirds of his songs and leave the band with the "safest" stuff, if they didn't go along with his plan for a double-album ("I own the masters").

There's only one primadonna in Fleetwood Mac, and it's not Stevie Nicks.

Whoa. I cannot hardly believe you actually see Stevie as something other than a primadonna.
The carefully crafted "documentary" was one hour of nine hundred. No doubt Stevie's diva moves were purposely left out.

Lindsey didn't threaten to leave the band....he just made a point that he owns his masters. So what? He does.

Stevie's sudden and random complaining about Christine is lame. Just admit the truth already.


As far as the other comment about Stevie's clothes, from someone else, uh, he asked her if they could dress casual. He did not force her to wear anything....he asked her if they could go more casual this tour. Last time I checked Stevie was supposedly Miss Independent....why in the world would Lindsey be telling her what to wear? Stevie didn't sound upset when she talked about the cardigan on Jim Ladd....she actually said it was "fine".

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Yes, we saw that kind of behavior in the documentary... from Lindsey. You know, the fellow who threatened to take back two-thirds of his songs and leave the band with the "safest" stuff, if they didn't go along with his plan for a double-album ("I own the masters").

There's only one primadonna in Fleetwood Mac, and it's not Stevie Nicks.

I just can't believe a fan is saying that. Lindsey tossed in his whole soloalbum and he and Mick agreed on a Macrecord with his stuff as the backbone for starters; the startidea WAS a double-album, and Mick was psyched by the idea initially. It's all in the doc too. Are you just watching it partial? Lindsey came back to the band after a ten year hiatus and agreed on working on Stevie's demos without her being present for a long time. Now -try to be as objective as possible, Stevie is the primadonna, Lindsey is the arrogant artistic director. But if his vision is being aborted by commercial arguments and your initial "partner-in-double-album" is turning his back on you, you can just logically expect someone's going to fight with all arms available. In this case: his own material.

That's not primadonnabehaviour, it's a game between three strong ego's with different views on a project. First LB is provided with room to move and as the project went on, they tried to increase that space. Maybe with great realistic arguments, and by that time with more "right" to battle, since they gained more "ownership" as the recording developped, esp. Stevie, but it is still very understandable that he's confronting Mick with some change-of-vision-facts and the possible consequences.

After all the unhappiness of Miss Nicks about SYW and the Tour, and the nostalgia-act-tour of Stevie-solo, I just don't believe in a Mac-future anymore. Or Lindsey is pulling back his need to devellop and just agrees to do a Stevie-solo-tour with Macmembers and some Lindsey-hits. Well as you all know, we are all waiting in awe for that.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

I just can't believe a fan is saying that. Lindsey tossed in his whole soloalbum and he and Mick agreed on a Macrecord with his stuff as the backbone for starters; the startidea WAS a double-album, and Mick was psyched by the idea initially. It's all in the doc too. Are you just watching it partial? Lindsey came back to the band after a ten year hiatus and agreed on working on Stevie's demos without her being present for a long time. Now -try to be as objective as possible, Stevie is the primadonna, Lindsey is the arrogant artistic director. But if his vision is being aborted by commercial arguments and your initial "partner-in-double-album" is turning his back on you, you can just logically expect someone's going to fight with all arms available. In this case: his own material.

You know I agree with you on this. But if people want to say Lindsey's the primadonna, so be it. He's been called worse things.

In all honesty I don't think Stevie threatening to pull out after 40 dates was a direct attack on Lindsey either, I think it had to do more with the record company than anything else, but the fact remains that she is capable of getting things done her way and she's not afraid to head right for the jugular.

She might feel outnumbered, but she isn't really. I am willing to put money on Mick choosing her side more often than Lindsey's. Well, when he's not too busy choosing Mr. Dollar's side, that is.

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

One thing that happened on the SYW tour, as i recall it, was that Lindsey had told Stevie she shoudn't be dressing up in her costumes or girly clothes (something to that effect) and she should just be casual on stage...and Stevie was NOT pleased by this (as you all can imagine). If Chris was there, Lindsey would have kept his mouth shut about that...

Well, no, he didn't TELL HER she should be dressing like that. He asked her if she could tone it down a bit and she said that was fine. Then she went into the whole thing about the button up sweater. Its in the Jim Ladd from 05 to promote the Vegas Shows (the interview of death for the fans).

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by danax6

You know I agree with you on this. But if people want to say Lindsey's the primadonna, so be it. He's been called worse things.

In all honesty I don't think Stevie threatening to pull out after 40 dates was a direct attack on Lindsey either, I think it had to do more with the record company than anything else, but the fact remains that she is capable of getting things done her way and she's not afraid to head right for the jugular.

She might feel outnumbered, but she isn't really. I am willing to put money on Mick choosing her side more often than Lindsey's. Well, when he's not too busy choosing Mr. Dollar's side, that is.

Yep, notice how Mick slandered and sold Lindsey up the river in his book, but said very few dirty details about Mama Nicks. He knows which side his bread is buttered on. Stevie's solo success ensured her power within the band, she knows it and uses it when necessary. Threatening to bail on the tour if she didn't get her way is a great example. Somehow Lindsey is the primadonna for stating that he owns the masters but poor, ganged up on Stevie threatens to bail on the band AND the fans and that is just overlooked. Both SnL have huge egos, both know they have power and both use it when they need to.

BTW..it is so ridiculous imo, to use DR as the springboard for understanding the dynamics between the bandmembers. The thing was edited to portray the band in a certain way.

I agree that Stevie only started using the "without Chris, I won't tour" thing a few weeks ago. Down in NZ, didn't she tell FoxyLuva that FM was planning on touring again and adding some Christine songs???? No mention of Chris having to be a part of the band then. Stevie prolly has her reason she doesn't want to tour anymore and I doubt it has anything to do with Christine McVie or Lindsey Buckingham. They are just always the convenient scapegoats. (Lindsey was even her scapegoat for her hideous SYW outfit choices!!)

[WelshWitchPMD]

Originally Posted by Kelly

As far as the other comment about Stevie's clothes, from someone else, uh, he asked her if they could dress casual. He did not force her to wear anything....he asked her if they could go more casual this tour. Last time I checked Stevie was supposedly Miss Independent....why in the world would Lindsey be telling her what to wear? Stevie didn't sound upset when she talked about the cardigan on Jim Ladd....she actually said it was "fine".

I have a feeling that there is a lot more to this wardrobe story than Stevie is letting on. I think that if they ever do any of Christine's songs (and I hope that they DON'T!) that it should be "Little Lies".

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by danax6

I am willing to put money on Mick choosing her side more often than Lindsey's.

Yeah, me too. As long as she's not there it's all Mr. Buckingham
as a musical visionaire, but as soon as she shows up, he's under her spell. And as long as her management speaks in dollars, he's willing to listen of course. In the case of SYW: the musical art direction was done for the major part. Lindsey was in and did his work-his task. After that, it was a new situation and then the commercially relevant thoughts dropped in. And Mick went in Stevie's direction-John is always neutral- so Lindsey's position went into underdog. Simple as that. Everything he thought and said from that moment can be attacked by "don't use a veto in a bandsituation dude". Very unchique. Don't get me wrong, he acted cocky and selfindulged too. But it's unfair to point him out as the primadonna.

Well. Wha-eva.

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by Kelly

As far as the other comment about Stevie's clothes, from someone else, uh, he asked her if they could dress casual. He did not force her to wear anything....he asked her if they could go more casual this tour. Last time I checked Stevie was supposedly Miss Independent....why in the world would Lindsey be telling her what to wear? Stevie didn't sound upset when she talked about the cardigan on Jim Ladd....she actually said it was "fine".

Yea, he asked her, not forced her, but she wasn't too happy about it. She said it was "fine", because Stevie is non-confrontational...she doesn't like starting problems. She makes light of things so they don't blow up into a big deal. Lindsey is a big baby, and if he doesn't get what he wants, he can be a brat, and Stevie doesn't like dealing with all that BS.

[Glittermoondust]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Well, no, he didn't TELL HER she should be dressing like that. He asked her if she could tone it down a bit and she said that was fine. Then she went into the whole thing about the button up sweater. Its in the Jim Ladd from 05 to promote the Vegas Shows (the interview of death for the fans).

Stevie should be able to wear whatever she wants.... it was her show too

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

Yea, he asked her, not forced her, but she wasn't too happy about it. She said it was "fine", because Stevie is non-confrontational...she doesn't like starting problems. She makes light of things so they don't blow up into a big deal. Lindsey is a big baby, and if he doesn't get what he wants, he can be a brat, and Stevie doesn't like dealing with all that BS.

what a nice typecasting. stevie nonconfrontational in the neighbourhood of LB. that's the joke of the day. I object against the baby comment. The brat-thing, welll yeah, that's a fact.