How Old Will You Live To Be? (Quiz)

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by sara1998

Yeah, I said that last year about my 29th.
This will be my first anniversary of my 29th birthday.... hehe....

I'm still celebrating my 29th birthday...ten years later.

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by sara1998

Quit yer bitchin. I'll BE 30 this year...

hahahah..sucks to be YOUUUUU

Originally Posted by GODDESS6

**** i keep teasing this is my last birthday i will celebrate, i will be 39 this yr ~ tho i do still get carded for alcohol ~

dude, a month ago, a 16 year old girl thought I was 18!!! it made my day!! well, until I got a speeding ticket LOL the officer didn't think I was 18 lol

Originally Posted by Sarah

gosh. and here i thought my disclaimer would be enough:

"I'm not saying everyone who is old is a waste of space. But I would feel that way, I'm sure."



My grandparents, save for one, passed long ago. The one that remains is riddled with health problems. My family has a very serious history of cancer.. almost everyone gets it. I'm not exactly looking forward to aging. Really, outside of my immediate family.. mom, dad, and sister.. I don't have very much family - at least that i see and/or interact with - at all.

don't be a catty bitch. you can tell from the rest of my post I was totally joking and not being hateful.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by amber

Are you saying that we will become completely different people who think and feel different things when we are old? I kinda doubt it. I think/feel a lot of the same things now that I have always thought.
People don't have to find meaning and purpose if they don't want to. It's not like there isn't enough human life on the planet, it won't be epically tragic if I die early. I mean, a billion of me could die and there would still be plenty of people.
P.S. I'm just arguing with you because you know me, and won't be all huffenpuff about it.

No huffenpuff here! I'm rather fascinated by the discussion.

I'm saying that we do change over time and in reaction to things that happen to us (both bad and good). I'm reading some of these posts as "I want to live as long as I look good and I can be active and then I want to die." And the reality is that people can adjust to changes that alter this situation in a way that allows them to continue finding some joy in life.

Sure, if your life right now is all about running, jumping, skipping or whatever examples you used, and it is a big part of your identity, then if you hit the point when you can't do that anymore, I'm sure there will be a sense of loss. Probably a huge sense of loss. But I also think that you will find that there are other things that keep you from wanting to die. I'll say again that it is against human nature to want to die.

So I actually don't believe any of you who say that you want to live until X age and then you will end your life. I think you are saying something easy and that you don't really mean....I don't want to get old, so I hope I die before then. I will talk to you the day before the age you want to die and listen to what you have to say then.

You already said that you can't do some things now that you used to do. I think gymnastics? So why don't you want to die now? What is it about the age of 45-50 that makes you think that is when you want to die?

[amber]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

don't be a catty bitch. you can tell from the rest of my post I was totally joking and not being hateful.

IMO. Your post was directly contradicting what she said, and no, not in a bad way, but still contradictory. Without acknowledging her caveat. IMO - Her post about the disclaimer was also not bad, considering your contradiction which contained no nod to her caveat, which I'm sure is what warranted the rolley eye. And your jokes in said post were not about her point, they were about your grandparents.

IMO - term "catty bitch" not necessary, considering your non acknowledgment of her caveat.

IMO -rolley eye usage will almost invariably incite terms like "catty bitch", so, while I think it wasn't totally warranted, I see why it happened. I would likely have done the same. You can't really "roll your eyes" without seeming...you know. Kind of like a catty bitch.

And you also can't directly contradict someone's point without noting their caveat exemption to that point, while talking about the very exemption that they noted. Otherwise you are basing your answer on not everything they said. And more specifically, you are arguing about something they specifically previously agreed with you about.

See?
hehehe. NBD. That is my logical take on what just occurred. The only reason I said something is that there was name calling, and stuff. And also, I felt that both sides had points.

Those points were that Michelle, while quoting Sarah as her starting point, should have acknowledged that Sarah specifically included people like her (Michelle's) grandparents in her opinion, as a disclaimer, but Michelle didn't note that in her answer, and my other point is that, if you use rolley eyes, no matter how tempting, since you (Sarah) specifically excluded what kinds of old people Michelle was talking about - you may seem like a catty bitch. And then someone might say "quit being a catty bitch!". Because those rolley eyes can really get people going.

I don't really care about this too much either way, and I certainly don't think it is a big deal, at all - but I did think it was a fun exercise in...uh...logically dissecting conversations? Bridging the gap of misunderstanding? Calling people on their fairly benign shizz? A wordplay puzzle? A donation to African children?



Seriously, you are both cool, but when eye rolling, and "catty bitch" come up, something needs to be done!!! Okay, not really, but I just wanted to. Okay?! Step off!!

[danax6]

^Tell me, is the medicine wearing off?

[amber]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

No huffenpuff here! I'm rather fascinated by the discussion.

Thank god. Me, too. I love when the ledge can have discussions about serious things without getting all sensitive. That is when we ~learn~ and *grow*. hehehe. But really. It's hard to learn/read/say anything interesting if everyone is getting all sensitive about serious subjects all the time. How do I love thee?

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I'm saying that we do change over time and in reaction to things that happen to us (both bad and good). I'm reading some of these posts as "I want to live as long as I look good and I can be active and then I want to die." And the reality is that people can adjust to changes that alter this situation in a way that allows them to continue finding some joy in life.

It is true, and that is what most people do. And it is highly possible that I would find joy in some other thing when I am older. In fact, if I tried, it is likely, since I am basically kind of a joyful person, easily pleased. However, taking what you say into account - I have always been, and am now, excessively physical. I get joy by walking fast, or by going up stairs. So, I think my point of view on that aspect is more pronounced than many other people's. I rarely meet people like me. Although I meet a lot of people who like exercise, and it is a huge part of their life, for sure. I mean, you are a marathon man. But...I dunno...I don't get the same sense of it being completely important, and supremely vital, and all joy giving, from most other people. Perhaps these other people have things going on otherwise that they enjoy just as much. Not as much with me. I love to read, and that is quiet - but I don't feel the sublime joy in it that I do when I am moving my body.

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Sure, if your life right now is all about running, jumping, skipping or whatever examples you used, and it is a big part of your identity, then if you hit the point when you can't do that anymore, I'm sure there will be a sense of loss. Probably a huge sense of loss. But I also think that you will find that there are other things that keep you from wanting to die. I'll say again that it is against human nature to want to die.

Well, I hope so, but see above. But you are right for sure about it being human nature not to want to die. But if I don't have a problem with it now, I may be an exception.

Originally Posted by Rickypt

So I actually don't believe any of you who say that you want to live until X age and then you will end your life. I think you are saying something easy and that you don't really mean....I don't want to get old, so I hope I die before then. I will talk to you the day before the age you want to die and listen to what you have to say then.

Good plan. I mean, I definitely think that what I have to say is brill and insightful, and the human race couldn't possibly live without it, so - maybe I'll want to live just to torture people with my musings...

Originally Posted by Rickypt

You already said that you can't do some things now that you used to do. I think gymnastics? So why don't you want to die now? What is it about the age of 45-50 that makes you think that is when you want to die?

Well, to be honest, I can still play other sports that I love, and be pretty darn physically active, so that is why. By 45-50, I probably won't be able to, plus I won't be hot. However, if I do lots of yoga, that may not be true, about the physical part. But I mean, I would want to die if I couldn't do stuff. But you are right in a way, that is what I think now, having the abilities I do. I could feel differently if that were not the case. Like you says, it is against human nature to want to die. And admittedly, the rest of my life isn't so super most awesome that it would keep me engaged. But maybe sometime it will be. But...how can I live when Stevie is gone???

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

No huffenpuff here! I'm rather fascinated by the discussion.

I'm saying that we do change over time and in reaction to things that happen to us (both bad and good). I'm reading some of these posts as "I want to live as long as I look good and I can be active and then I want to die." And the reality is that people can adjust to changes that alter this situation in a way that allows them to continue finding some joy in life.

Sure, if your life right now is all about running, jumping, skipping or whatever examples you used, and it is a big part of your identity, then if you hit the point when you can't do that anymore, I'm sure there will be a sense of loss. Probably a huge sense of loss. But I also think that you will find that there are other things that keep you from wanting to die. I'll say again that it is against human nature to want to die.

So I actually don't believe any of you who say that you want to live until X age and then you will end your life. I think you are saying something easy and that you don't really mean....I don't want to get old, so I hope I die before then. I will talk to you the day before the age you want to die and listen to what you have to say then.

You already said that you can't do some things now that you used to do. I think gymnastics? So why don't you want to die now? What is it about the age of 45-50 that makes you think that is when you want to die?

This is a very interesting post. Thank GOD we grow and change and our priorities grow and change with us. I'm not saying that anyone is immature; the reasons we keep going every day change as we get older. I'm changing physically and while I don't love it, I'm not losing my **** over it. But, if you had told me when I was in my early twenties that I would be sporting a belly and stayed in bed reading with my husband every Friday and Saturday night, I would have been devastated.

I too believe that the human "instinct" leans toward survival. I can certainly relate to feeling like I never want to be old, pitiful, and a burden to anyone. But hopefully I'll have some pretty cool things to live for in my old age too. I look forward to every stage my life has ahead of me. I may not LOOK good while I"m experiencing everything, but fortunately, I can deal with that.

[amber]

Originally Posted by danax6

^Tell me, is the medicine wearing off?

That's my favorite part about my life, and believe me, it happens a lot, when people think I'm strange when I am just expressing something that seems totally logical to me. I'll have to harken back to my defense, which is, just cause you didn't think of it, doesn't mean it isn't valid or real or logical or smart. It just means you didn't think of it, or don't understand it. And I mean that non offensively. Lots of people don't get what I'm talking about, believe me. Doesn't mean I don't have a good point. Doesn't mean you are deficient (duh, of course you aren't).

I mean, it would be great, I suppose, to think of things everyone else can think of, and readily understand, but my mind doesn't always work that way. It often thinks of other things, that people don't understand, and that other people haven't thought of. Perhaps the sad part is my shattered illusion, the one where I think what I said makes sense to others, and is logical and obvious, and plain as the nose on someone's face.

I'm very glad for my few friends who understand what I mean, and think I'm smart and funny and brill, and are glad I present things to them they never thought of before, but find amusing. As I'm sure we all are, for friends like that.

But keeping on topic, that is also one of the things that makes me not care about my life as much. Not in a bad way, but I just fear that, just like it has always been, many people will not understand what I am talking about. Kind of takes the punch out of the whole "leaving your mark and helping people" thing. It also takes the punch out of my love of learning, which is my next greatest love after physical things. Like, I can learn so much stuff, but no one will ever care, or use it, or need it, or listen to it, or believe it, or understand it, or whatever. So, it's still fun to learn, but then I have to keep it all to myself, which isn't quite as fun.

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by amber

That's my favorite part about my life, when people think I'm strange when I am just expressing something that seems totally logical to me. I'll have to harken back to my defense, which is, just cause you didn't think of it, doesn't mean it isn't valid or real or logical or smart. It just means you didn't think of it, or don't understand it. And I mean that non offensively. Lots of people don't get what I'm talking about, believe me. Doesn't mean I don't have a good point. Doesn't mean you are deficient (duh, of course you aren't).

I mean, it would be great, I suppose, to think of things everyone else can think of, and readily understand, but my mind doesn't always work that way. It often thinks of other things, that people don't understand, and that other people haven't thought of. Perhaps the sad part is my shattered illusion, the one where I think what I said makes sense to others, and is logical.

I agree with this too! We all are in different places in our lives- no one is right or wrong.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by amber

That's my favorite part about my life, and believe me, it happens a lot, when people think I'm strange when I am just expressing something that seems totally logical to me. I'll have to harken back to my defense, which is, just cause you didn't think of it, doesn't mean it isn't valid or real or logical or smart. It just means you didn't think of it, or don't understand it. And I mean that non offensively. Lots of people don't get what I'm talking about, believe me. Doesn't mean I don't have a good point. Doesn't mean you are deficient (duh, of course you aren't).

No need to get all introspective on me because of what I said (joked!), I was just amazed that someone would take (have?) the time to dissect an entire discussion between two people who I think, really, couldn't care less.

Oh, and don't worry, you don't have the market cornered on people that don't understand what you are saying. People misinterpret me aaaall the time. Makes for interesting, albeit fairly useless discussions/arguments from time to time.

[amber]

Originally Posted by danax6

No need to get all introspective on me because of what I said (joked!), I was just amazed that someone would take (have?) the time to dissect an entire discussion between two people who I think, really, couldn't care less.

Oh, and don't worry, you don't have the market cornerned on people that don't understand what you are saying. People misinterpret me aaaall the time. Makes for interesting, albeit fairly useless discussions/arguments from time to time.

Ah, but to me, dissecting convos for logic and continuity is fun. And I'm sure they didn't care that much, but they did care enough to "roll eyes", and call "a catty bitch" I mean, there was some caring. The fact that it wasn't that serious, but was slightly off joint, made it more fun to dissect. It is like, there was a slight miss in communication, with slight bitchiness involved, and so what better convo to logically dissect?
Also - Time? It took me, like four seconds. You know those natural skills you have, that you can do almost without thinking? Yeah, that is one of mine. Logical dissection. Conversely, I have a terrible sense of direction...couldn't find my way out of a paper bag...

Yeah, I didn't think I had the market cornered, but "people thinking what I say is weird, even though it is totally logical" has been a constant theme in my life. I usually wonder why everyone else is taking the most circuitous route from point A to point B. When I just told them the fastest route. Except for literally, if we are actually talking about directions to places. Because I have no idea about those...I could get lost going around the block...and I mean the literal block. In a car. Trying to find something. I mention this because it is a weird, huge, ginormous glitch in my otherwise normal to advanced brainpower. Sesly. You would be shocked at my bad sense of direction. Right, Deb? It's really funny, it is so bad.

[michelle2677]

^^ actually i can just break it down in a few sentences. save everyone a lot of reading time.

I took the "gosh and I thought my disclaimer would be enough" to mean "here stupid bitch-I already spelled it out once, but if you need it again, here it is." plus the rolley eyes. But that was an afterthought. It really had nothing to do with my post.


if sarah did not mean it that way, then i sincerely apologize. Honestly. I'm not one to apologize if I don't mean it. -I hate doing it. It's like a little piece of my heart chips away

but if that's how she meant it, then my catty bitch post still stands.


(for those who actually give a ****)

[golden braid]

Originally Posted by amber

Sesly. You would be shocked at my bad sense of direction. Right, Deb? It's really funny, it is so bad.

Just let your pimple guide you.

[amber]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

^^ actually i can just break it down in a few sentences. save everyone a lot of reading time.

I took the "gosh and I thought my disclaimer would be enough" to mean "here stupid bitch-I already spelled it out once, but if you need it again, here it is." plus the rolley eyes. But that was an afterthought. It really had nothing to do with my post.


if sarah did not mean it that way, then i sincerely apologize. Honestly. I'm not one to apologize if I don't mean it. -I hate doing it. It's like a little piece of my heart chips away

but if that's how she meant it, then my catty bitch post still stands.


(for those who actually give a ****)

Well, as a disinterested party, I would have to say, that the fact that you did not acknowledge the fact that she directly addressed (premptorily) the point of your post in her original post, which you didn't acknowledge, while still using part of her post for your post...see what I'm saying? Like, you argued with her, but she already had agreed with you, with her disclaimer. And you did not acknowledge the disclaimer in your post.

Seriously, aside from your apology, which is great, but probably unnecessary, I'm just breaking it down.

Like, you quoted her, but didn't acknowledge that she already agreed with your point, in that exemption part of her post. The one where she said "I'm not saying all old people are like this" or whatever she said. You only took the part of her post where she said "being old is a waste of oxygen" (paraphrase) without including the part where she said "but some old people are not like this at all" and in the meantime you mounted an argument about old people, and how cool they are.

Which apparently caused her to roll her eyes in response, because she already said that! She already said "not all old people!!!" Which you didn't really acknowledge in your post. So then, she was impatient about that, and rolled her eyes, then you thought she was a catty bitch, and you know the rest. And I am in no way advocating the rolley eyes. We all know that once you roll those eyes, you are a catty bitch.

Hey, I am that impatient, too. I would be all "I said I didn't mean cool old people!!!"

Seriously, it is no big deal. I just enjoyed dissecting it. Sesly. It's like those times where you say "I already said that!!!" when someone says something you just said. Or when you say something, and your friend is all "no, I said I wasn't talking about every old person!" and then they roll their eyes. And then you be all "well, I was just trying to say, about my grandparents!" and then your friend is all "I know, didn't I say I wasn't talking about every old person?!" And then you're all "yeah, you did, I just kind of missed it and was responding to the other bulk of your point. You didn't have to roll your eyes at me, and shizz." and then your friend is all "Sorry to roll my eyes, but I already said that, about cool grandparents!"


It's all fun. Some people roll their eyes, some people counter people's points without acknowledging some stuff that person said, some people take offense and call people bitches, some people find it fun to dissect stupid conversations...etc.
It's allll gooood... You are both very sweet, and perhaps shouldn't call each other bitchas, or use the rolleys.

[michelle2677]

^^ hahah..yes....

then my deepest apoligies to sarah. I misread her original post then and jumped the gun.