FLeetwood Mac without Stevie

[danax6]

^Okay, gotcha.

Though I do think that most people that are a fan of Stevie Nicks are really not uninterested in anything that Fleetwood Mac does. (And you can't base your opinions on the fact that Time wasn't successful, that's a whole other cup of tea). I think it has more to do with what happens on stage as opposed to it just 'not being Stevie'. I couldn't care less about Mick's drum solos either.

The one thing that you'd have going on for you is that you have to deal with less people dressed up as Stevie Nicks.

(disclaimer: 'you' is meant in general)

[TheWILDheart]

Originally Posted by danax6

And you can't base your opinions on the fact that Time wasn't successful, that's a whole other cup of tea

Time could've been really good. It had Billy and Christine who I am very fond of on BTM. The fact that they were messed around by the record company and that the tour came BEFORE the album for some reason and that Christine really didn't have a clue what was going on at all on this album. It just seems sort of...forced...rather than something that was coming naturally to the band as every album before it did. Also, you can just tell that Chris really didn't want to be there at all. So for me, Time sucks because of those reasons and was unsuccessful because it had no promotion. Not because Stevie wasn't on it. I mean, look at Fleetwood Mac until 1975. They had a number 1 with albatross and a **** load of moderately successful albums and an incredibly loyal fan base. They could've had that again with Time if they didn't balls it all up.

[Sarah]

I'd buy it if Lindsey was on it.

[TheWILDheart]

Originally Posted by Sarah

I'd buy it if Lindsey was on it.

Yeh I think I would if Lindsey was on it. Lindsey and Christine always made a cheerful combination whereas when Stevie and Lindsey were together it was all very dramatic and tense and they wanted to kill each other and the rivalry and everything else whereas with Chris and Lindsey it was always about the music rather than each other.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Time could've been really good. It had Billy and Christine who I am very fond of on BTM. The fact that they were messed around by the record company and that the tour came BEFORE the album for some reason and that Christine really didn't have a clue what was going on at all on this album. It just seems sort of...forced...rather than something that was coming naturally to the band as every album before it did. Also, you can just tell that Chris really didn't want to be there at all. So for me, Time sucks because of those reasons and was unsuccessful because it had no promotion. Not because Stevie wasn't on it. I mean, look at Fleetwood Mac until 1975. They had a number 1 with albatross and a **** load of moderately successful albums and an incredibly loyal fan base. They could've had that again with Time if they didn't balls it all up.

They HAD an album all ready to release DURING the tour (titled Another Link In The Chain), WITHOUT Christine. It was the record company that demanded Christine be on the album (due to some "small print" clause in their contract); which delayed the album over a year. So, yeah, Christine's contributions WERE "forced". Kind of like the last minute having to turn a Lindsey Buckingham solo album into a Fleetwood Mac album (which they've done twice now). I think the original album would've been a whole lot better, had a better "feel" and better "flow" than what Time became. It didn't help that a person who Christine had had a long-time feud with (Dave Mason) was now a two-year long member of Fleetwood Mac.

It could be compared with the hypothetical situation on Say You Will if Stevie had said that she'd do the album, but didn't want Lindsey playing guitar on her songs...that she wanted Waddy to play on her songs. Exactly what seemed to have happened with Christine's songs on Time...she didn't want Dave Mason anywhere NEAR her songs...hence Michael Thompson being the guitarist on Christine's tunes.

What screwed up the '94-95 edition of Fleetwood Mac was that they still forced Rumours down our throats in concert. If they'd made the set full of the current studio material they'd been working on, with just a hint of "the past" thrown in (as they'd done two decades earlier), I think they'd have built a new identity, instead of the perception that Bekka was "replacing" both Stevie & Christine.

[Hawkeye]

I personally WISH Stevie would've left the band after the Mirage tour in 1982. She was pretty much useless in the band after Mirage. Her Tango/BTM and Paper Doll songs all SUCK. And she was horrible on both those tours. She really should've quit after 1982. She could've still came back in 1997, hell The Dance could've been even bigger after her talking a longer break.

[TheWILDheart]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I personally WISH Stevie would've left the band after the Mirage tour in 1982. She was pretty much useless in the band after Mirage. Her Tango/BTM and Paper Doll songs all SUCK. And she was horrible on both those tours. She really should've quit after 1982. She could've still came back in 1997, hell The Dance could've been even bigger after her talking a longer break.

Excuse me????

songs of Stevie's that rule post-82:

Seven Wonders
Welcome To The Room...Sara
No Questions Asked
Love Is Dangerous
Affairs of The Heart
Freedom
The Second Time
Paper Doll

Granted, Tango was not a particularly good time for Stevie song wise. I mean WISYA sucks so badly. It's actually the only Stevie-Mac song I don't like. But she made up for it with gems like Freedom and Paper Doll.

[Hawkeye]

I don't like any of those songs you listed, except No Questions Asked.

[TheWILDheart]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I don't like any of those songs you listed, except No Questions Asked.

REALLY!? Wow I LOVE Freedom, Second Time, Seven Wonders and Paper Doll. The rest I can live without but I like them.

[Chrislit18]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I don't like any of those songs you listed, except No Questions Asked.

I agree 100%. I mean, Seven Wonders is good, but it technically is not a Stevie song...that Sandy lady wrote it [her last name escapes me...].

Personally, I would have prefered if Stevie left in 87 rather than Lindsey. Then they wouldn't have had BTM, and Rick and Billy never would have joined...I really don't like them...
Oh by the way...Dave Mason is going to be at Twin Rivers in CT [RI..idk...its a gambeling place...], I heard it in the dentists office today at like 1:30

Lindsey and Chris are the best writers IMO...I think that a Mac album with those two would be miles better than SYW. Especially if they collaberated on the entire album <3

um. one thing to whoever said that "Hold Me" is a C/L collab....it really isnt...Christine and somebody else wrote it, all Lindsey did was sing on it [and guitar yada yada] but he didnt receive a writing credit...


but realistically, everyone knows FM wouldnt be half as popular, or in demand, without Stevie, and that is why no matter what they always bring her back, a C/L/M/J tour wouldnt demand the ticket price as if Stevie was there, or even sell as many tickets. Stevie def. is the attraction to the band for many

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

No Questions Asked

I just had nightmares. This TO ME, is a truly HIDEOUS song of Stevie's. It's like nails on a chalkboard to my eras.

[Hawkeye]

Thats funny, its the one song wild heart listed that I actually LIKE. It's a real diamond in the ruff of Stevie Mac tunes 87-92

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I personally WISH Stevie would've left the band after the Mirage tour in 1982.

I think both she AND Lindsey should've packed it in with Fleetwood Mac the day after the Tusk tour ended in 1980.

FMac had plenty of options to go forward in 1980 (my idea: get back Bob Welch and recruit Martha Davis from the Motels) if they'd done so.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by chiliD

I think both she AND Lindsey should've packed it in with Fleetwood Mac the day after the Tusk tour ended in 1980.

FMac had plenty of options to go forward in 1980 (my idea: get back Bob Welch and recruit Martha Davis from the Motels) if they'd done so.

I would have put it after Mirage - but then The Dance would have never happened. So, it is what it is I guess. Plus, Mick and John could always get MD now, which would be way cool IMO.

[TheWILDheart]

"EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON.."

- a very fabulous person, "Love Changes", Trouble In Shangri-La 2001


(she was right)