Fire Imus?

[skcin]

Originally Posted by TwistedGypsy

I'm with Ryan who gives a ****. Second of all I wonder if he had made a reference that can sometimes describe a Polish person or Italian or Irish if everyone would still have their panties in a wad?
Joy Baher made a good point on The View today. Does Al Sharpton ever come down on rappers for some of the language in their songs? Most rap songs are about ho's, ****ing ho's, guns, tryin' to survive in the ghetto etc., etc. He needs to be worried about the "influential" people in his own race and the affect they have on the younger generation. Clearly just my opinion though.

Well, Bill Cosby dared to say something to that effect. People were none too pleased.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by skcin

Well, Bill Cosby dared to say something to that effect. People were none too pleased.

I thought his speech was riddled with prejudiced remarks and oversimplifications (more of the latter, really). He wasn't helping anything from my point of view, just showing that he was less in-touch than I had assumed.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I thought his speech was riddled with prejudiced remarks and oversimplifications (more of the latter, really). He wasn't helping anything from my point of view, just showing that he was less in-touch than I had assumed.

Really? I disagree. I mean, to a point, I guess it is easy for him to say these things, being a rich man. But I think his basic message of take responsibility for your own actions & actively raise your kids is a good one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Sep8.html

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by skcin

Really? I disagree. I mean, to a point, I guess it is easy for him to say these things, being a rich man. But I think his basic message of take responsibility for your own actions & actively raise your kids is a good one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Sep8.html

I do agree with the message for the most part; I should've clarified. But I really don't agree with this idea he has that his race should take full responsibility and the white world is in no way to blame for the problems they face. I thought it was petty to carry on about people using lots of slang, and especially goofy how he poked fun at people for having what he deemed unusual names. So much of it came off as judgmental to me; I don't how much of it was meant in jest because I didn't actually hear it, but I doubt that would make it okay to me if it were in jest.

[skcin]

^ Gotcha. I see what you mean, I didn't realize that he had said all of the problems with the black community were all their own fault.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by skcin

^ Gotcha. I see what you mean, I didn't realize that he had said all of the problems with the black community were all their own fault.

Yeah...I had a printout of the whole thing at one point, and we were debating all of it at work, but I can't find it now. Like I said, he had some good points, but they were overshadowed by the stuff that I found offensive.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by skcin

^ Gotcha. I see what you mean, I didn't realize that he had said all of the problems with the black community were all their own fault.

I think he is accurate in that many of the problems (violence, drugs, unwanted pregancies, etc. ) are the fault of the black community. I think the kids see their parents engaing in that behaviour and think it is okay - again this is not all balck people.

I think education is the way out. Well, that and two cops on every corner in the projects.

To be fair, many black people feel like the system is stacked against them, so why not commit a crime. They are correct to a point about the system. However, their own actions perpetuate that system. It is a never ending cycle - that is what Bill C. was saying IMO. So, they have to be willing to stop the bad behav. before they will get better. And -- this logic applies to poor people of al races too, as certainly they are oppressed by society.

In the end, no one owes you (general) a damn thing other than basic human courtesy. You have to go out and get it for yourself. This why I think welfare should be based on poverty, not race. I think welfare should be geared more toward the rec. looking for work. But, saying that in public is the same as saying I hate black people - at least as far as politicians go.