Fire Imus?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by sara1998

Seriously. No one ever came to defend me in Jr. High when I was the white minority in a 90% black school. No one took up for the little white girl who was left to fend for herself. Racism goes both ways.

Careful - you will be branded as anti-black and a racist for that comment. White people can never make any factual comment that slights blacks - don't you know that silly.

Again, I fully realize the system in palce is not working, but how to solve this issue, I have know clue. Personally, I think you have to be willing to help yourself. Welfare is a helping tool, not a permanent residence. Many people get off of it and get out of the ghetto. So, I guess they should be used as a model for what works. But, this idea that the govt. owes you a lifelong paycheck and you never have to work is crap.

Note - I fully get that not all welfare rec. are life longers and/or multi-generational rec. I am not talking about those people and believe me they exist and it is not just the black people, though there seem to be a lot of them that fit that mold from what I have seen. I am talking solely about the ones who refuse to work. Please make that distiction in any reply.

[skcin]

I started the thread before they announced his suspension. I think it's appropriate. I did literally gasp when I read what he had said, but he explained himself, apologized & is taking his suspension without argument. So, what's done is done & if people don't want to listen to him anymore, then don't.

[estranged4life]

I actually laughed when I heard what he said.

Race issues in this country will never be solved - that's why I stay the hell outta those issues (ie-The Freedman vs. The Cherokee Nation issue here in OK, I see both sides of that issue and even though I am Cherokee, I stayed the hell outta that mess).

Maybe because I live in a state where the Indians tribes (I wont use the term "Native American" when I refer to myself since I feel anyone born in the US is a native to this country) are considered the majority and the whites/blacks/everyone else are considered the minority has something to do with that

[TwistedGypsy]

I'm with Ryan who gives a ****. Second of all I wonder if he had made a reference that can sometimes describe a Polish person or Italian or Irish if everyone would still have their panties in a wad?
Joy Baher made a good point on The View today. Does Al Sharpton ever come down on rappers for some of the language in their songs? Most rap songs are about ho's, ****ing ho's, guns, tryin' to survive in the ghetto etc., etc. He needs to be worried about the "influential" people in his own race and the affect they have on the younger generation.
Clearly just my opinion though.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by TwistedGypsy

I'm with Ryan who gives a ****. Second of all I wonder if he had made a reference that can sometimes describe a Polish person or Italian or Irish if everyone would still have their panties in a wad?
Joy Baher made a good point on The View today. Does Al Sharpton ever come down on rappers for some of the language in their songs? Most rap songs are about ho's, ****ing ho's, guns, tryin' to survive in the ghetto etc., etc. He needs to be worried about the "influential" people in his own race and the affect they have on the younger generation. Clearly just my opinion though.

Well, Bill Cosby dared to say something to that effect. People were none too pleased.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by skcin

Well, Bill Cosby dared to say something to that effect. People were none too pleased.

I thought his speech was riddled with prejudiced remarks and oversimplifications (more of the latter, really). He wasn't helping anything from my point of view, just showing that he was less in-touch than I had assumed.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I thought his speech was riddled with prejudiced remarks and oversimplifications (more of the latter, really). He wasn't helping anything from my point of view, just showing that he was less in-touch than I had assumed.

Really? I disagree. I mean, to a point, I guess it is easy for him to say these things, being a rich man. But I think his basic message of take responsibility for your own actions & actively raise your kids is a good one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Sep8.html

[sara1998]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Careful - you will be branded as anti-black and a racist for that comment. White people can never make any factual comment that slights blacks - don't you know that silly.

heh, yeah... so let it be...

I learned to live as the minority. I have absolutely nothing against blacks, or other races. If anything, it helped me learn to be more accepting of other races and cultures. However, there are some (Sharpton, Jackson) who think they have to scream racism at the white folks every whem. It's sickening. If I screamed racism at the schools I attended, I would be told to sit down and shut up.

Imus got a suspension. That's enough.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Careful - you will be branded as anti-black and a racist for that comment. White people can never make any factual comment that slights blacks - don't you know that silly.

We know that white people get away with making a bunch of comments and actions that do a lot more than slight blacks.

Personally, I think you have to be willing to help yourself.

I agree. The irony that I see is that these Rutgers basketball players were doing just that--helping themselves, trying to be what is acceptable in society, and probably received no more of a handout than any white college athlete. And yet they still got slammed with racial insults--not only did they get singled out for being black, but for being REALLY black, hence the nappy-headed reference.

[Rickypt]

Anyone catch the Rutgers team press conference? I thought they handled the whole thing with grace and dignity. They are hurt and offended, as they should be, and have agreed to meet privately with Imus but won't disclose when or where.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Anyone catch the Rutgers team press conference? I thought they handled the whole thing with grace and dignity. They are hurt and offended, as they should be, and have agreed to meet privately with Imus but won't disclose when or where.

After like 20 minutes of that woman droning on, I turned it off -- too many words.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

We know that white people get away with making a bunch of comments and actions that do a lot more than slight blacks . . . .

Very true - but I was not talking about those people. I was talking about the comment she made, which many would take a horribly racist. I think that is stupid.

In the end, the black people are just going to have to figure out a way to better themselves because depending on the govt. to do it has pretty much been a failure (though it worked for many) -- I think education is the key.

[Rickypt]

Strand, you and I actually agree on this stuff more than it seems. The "system" stuff. I agree that education is the key. Which is why I find it even more egregious that here are young black women going to college and they still get slammed with a racial insult. That is what I find so bothersome about this whole ordeal.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Strand, you and I actually agree on this stuff more than it seems. The "system" stuff.

I think we all agree on that part.

However, people need to remember that the civil rights "movement" really only got started (implementation-wise) in the late 1960's. I think it's going to take a little bit longer than 40 years to reverse 300+ years of actively and doggedly holding back an entire segment of the population from life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I think we all agree on that part.

However, people need to remember that the civil rights "movement" really only got started (implementation-wise) in the late 1960's. I think it's going to take a little bit longer than 40 years to reverse 300+ years of actively and doggedly holding back an entire segment of the population from life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

YES

Goddamn, I love your posts.