Rosie's ching-chong comments

[irishgrl]

ok, to answer a few things:
Jason, I did admit that in this area I deviated from my usual Liberal leanings.
I made that clear with my very first post Also, with regard to your comment about the race wars in THIS country, I agree with you.

Paula, since you sound sincere (and I have never ever "cried baiting" before on this board, you are the first, and If I am wrong I take it back) here is what happened:

When I was in 7th grade I was a bookwormish skinny kid with glasses. kept to myself. Apparently a group of Black girls saw in me a chance to feel superior because for several months (every DAY) they would hound me and push/hit me and harrass me and say things like "did you just call me a nigger?" when I was saying nothing at ALL! There's more, but I think you get the point. I wasnt seriously hurt but I was terrorised for months like this and a typical day would have about 3 hours worth of misery in it. This one girl in particular had gym with me and made me completely miserable the entire PE period. Finally another black girl, Carolyn (I still remember her name) told this group of girls to leave me alone and if they didnt, they'd have to answer to her!! Well you can imagine my surprise....and I was like a grateful puppy dog of course which embarrassed her and she pretty much told me to knock it off!! The thing I found amazing was that even though I was pretty much silent throughout this whole ordeal, (or I would deny things) was that these girls would accuse me of saying stuff I obviously wasnt saying and then push/hit me for it. There were 5 or 6 of them at all times and you could see they got great glee out of it. Yes it was a schoolyard bully type situation but they tried to play the race card and take it to another level IMO.

Regarding your other comment: I cant believe anyone would actually think that I think ALL Muslims are terrorists because I never said that anywhere and I never implied it either. The statements I DID make (about the Arabs/Muslims never accepting Israel, and an impending apocalypse between Muslim/Christian or East/West if you will) have either been corroborated by other sources (wikipedia for one) or other people (such as yourself) have agreed with me. At this point, what more is there to say?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . Regarding your other comment: I cant believe anyone would actually think that I think ALL Muslims are terrorists because I never said that anywhere and I never implied it either. The statements I DID make (about the Arabs/Muslims never accepting Israel, and an impending apocalypse between Muslim/Christian or East/West if you will) have either been corroborated by other sources (wikipedia for one) or other people (such as yourself) have agreed with me. At this point, what more is there to say?

(emphasis supplied)

Actually, you did when you said no one would like your answer regarding whether they (all of them) should be in concentration camps and one day you hoped not to have to say "I told you so" if they were not. Granted you later somewhat came off of this (which apparently few believed) - but you still said it, thus negating your bolded statement above.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

(emphasis supplied)

Actually, you did when you said no one would like your answer regarding whether they (all of them) should be in concentration camps and one day you hoped not to have to say "I told you so" if they were not. Granted you later somewhat came off of this (which apparently few believed) - but you still said it, thus negating your bolded statement above.

I cant help how you TOOK it, I only know how I MEANT it. And I MEANT that my answer would not be my usual Liberal "live and let live" kind of attitude.

I spent many pages making that clear. (to wit: I do NOT condone concentration camps, I specifically said I hated the terrorists, and the "I hope I never have to say "I told you so" referred to my belief that we were heading toward a Muslim/Christian apocalypse) THAT is what I meant. That is what I meant. THAT. IS. WHAT. I. MEANT.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I cant help how you TOOK it, I only know how I meant it. And I MEANT that my answer would not be my usual Liberal "live and let live" kind of attitude.

I spent many pages making that clear. (to wit: I do NOT condone concentration camps, I specifically said I hated the terrorists, and the "I hope I never have to say "I told you so" referred to my belief that we were heading toward a Muslim/Christian apocalypse) THAT is what I meant.

Wasn't just me

Interestingly, you seemingly assign no fault to Israel, though they certainly have misbehaved, to say the least.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-index-eng

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Wasn't just me

Interestingly, you seemingly assign no fault to Israel, though they certainly have misbehaved, to say the least.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-index-eng

no, wrong again.

you commented that it would be nice if Israel didnt engage in terrorist acts either and I said "yes, of course"
I can see that it takes two to tango. But I also consider Israel to be defending itself by and large whereas the PLO, Hamas etc are being funded by Arab fundies who are actively encouraging attacks on Israel. Israel DOES have a right to defend itself.

and maybe it wasnt just you, but if you folks would accept my clarifications instead of accusing me of backpedaling you'd see I was trying to correct your misinterpretations. Sheesh!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

no, wrong again.

you commented that it would be nice if Israel didnt engage in terrorist acts either and I said "yes, of course"
I can see that it takes two to tango. But I also consider Israel to be defending itself by and large whereas the PLO, Hamas etc are being funded by Arab fundies who are actively encouraging attacks on Israel. Israel DOES have a right to defend itself . . .

You really think the other parties are not defending themselves? After all, their land was taken and then more land was taken. Wouldn't you be a little pissed off too?

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

They were not "misinterpretations." They were what you said outright. Thus, you may have clarified, but to say I or anyone else misinterpreted is just wrong.

a) you DID misinterpret and I tried to correct your misinterpretation. I cant see how "that is the one area where I deviate from my usual Liberal leanings and Im not the person you should ask because you wouldnt like my answer" becomes "I hate ALL Muslims" or that I think Muslims need to be locked up in concentration camps. I never said that anywhere. ANYWHERE.
so, YES you did misinterpret. When I said "I hope I never have to say "I told you so" I was referring to my visions of an impending apocalypse between Christian/Muslim. Ive said that over and over and over yet you seem to want to cling to YOUR interpretation of my original statement in spite of ALL MY EFFORTS to show you different. Only I know what I meant, and Im not shy about speaking my mind, if I meant something a certain way, I'd certainly SAY so.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You really think the other parties are not defending themselves? After all, their land was taken and then more land was taken. Wouldn't you be a little pissed off too?

b) Israel was created with the help of the British Govt and Sanctioned by the UN and various Western Countries. They gained more land in the 6 days war when they went on the offensive against Syria and Egypt who were planning to attack them. Prior to the Arab occupation of Jerusalem and Palestine, that was Hebrew land, their historic holy city. Arabs capured it and occupied it for about 1300 years, thus they think it belongs to them. One could see their point. I happen to believe the Hebrews/Jews have the prior claim, and in my opinion, the creation of Israel was a step toward rectifying that situation.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . you'd see I was trying to correct your misinterpretations. Sheesh!

They were not "misinterpretations." They were what you said outright. Thus, you may have clarified, but to say I or anyone else misinterpreted is just wrong.

[elie]

@ Rickypt - since you asked yesterday and I didn't see your post on time:
Greek is my mother tongue. I live in Athens. That is why (time difference) I never get to post on this board at the same hours as everybody

As to the rest of the conversation, I wonder about those alleged misinterpretations myself. I didnt think there were any. Sorry to interfere agian, but I think that everybody's point is made very clearly.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by elie

As to the rest of the conversation, I wonder about those alleged misinterpretations myself. I didnt think there were any. Sorry to interfere agian, but I think that everybody's point is made very clearly.

I made mine clearly too.
please see above.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by elie

@ Rickypt - since you asked yesterday and I didn't see your post on time:
Greek is my mother tongue. I live in Athens. That is why (time difference) I never get to post on this board at the same hours as everybody

As to the rest of the conversation, I wonder about those alleged misinterpretations myself. I didnt think there were any. Sorry to interfere agian, but I think that everybody's point is made very clearly.

I like and hate Athens It is a beautiful city from an historical perspective, but the traffic is INSANE!!!!!!!

Having said that, I was there for the Olympics and that was just splendid!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by elie

@ Rickypt - since you asked yesterday and I didn't see your post on time:
Greek is my mother tongue. I live in Athens. That is why (time difference) I never get to post on this board at the same hours as everybody

Oooh. I didn't know we had Greek Ledgies! I mean Ledgies who live in Greece. What a fabulous culture and history you have there. It is definitely on my list of places to go someday.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by elie

@ Rickypt - since you asked yesterday and I didn't see your post on time:
Greek is my mother tongue. I live in Athens. That is why (time difference) I never get to post on this board at the same hours as everybody

I'm surprised I could find this post! Interesting, I didn't know you lived in Greece.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Wasn't just me

Interestingly, you seemingly assign no fault to Israel, though they certainly have misbehaved, to say the least.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-index-eng

Yeah. I certainly didn't want to go there as we have already been there so many times on this board. But two wrongs sure as hell don't make a right.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Yeah. I certainly didn't want to go there as we have already been there so many times on this board. But two wrongs sure as hell don't make a right.

Actually Chris, I did agree Israel was guilty too

At this point, however, Israel IS a fact and we cant go backwards......however much certain groups wish we could. I think the only answer is one wherein both cultures agree to live and let live and I believe Israel is more likely to do that than its enemies are.....