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[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

please note:


I am speaking of the terrorists here. If you dont understand how I can hate the terrorists after 9/11 then I dont know what more to say.......what I said regarding the Moderates was that I felt they could/should do more to control the radical element in their religion. Carrie had responded by saying that we are all responsible for our own actions and that it was not fair to hold a group responsible for the actions of a few (or some). I told her I saw her point.

I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole. If not, then why arent more moderates coming forward and denouncing this crap? Why arent the money sources being dried up? why arent more terrorist hiding places and training camps being exposed? Why are Madrassas always full to the brim? Hatred of the West is rampant in that part of the world and you cant say that my recent change of heart since 9/11 is the cause. As I said before, I had a live and let live attitude until then, and I firmly believe that only the Muslims can bring about the needed changes in this situation.
Its a sure bet these radicals wont listen to anything the West has to say.....

I missed your parenthetical text which was important. Sorry about that!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I missed your parenthetical text which was important. Sorry about that!

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

I think this is what I am picking up on. I am also bullsh*t at moderate Muslims for their lack of backbone however I can see why they wouldn't stand up for fear of being blown up.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

and once again, you are reading into it what you choose to. Ive said who I hate and Ive said who I am disappointed in. two different groups. I asked a hypothetical question, and as such, dont see how that proves anything.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

and once again, you are reading into it what you choose to. Ive said who I hate and Ive said who I am disappointed in. two different groups. I asked a hypothetical question, and as such, dont see how that proves anything.

Apparently, I am not the only one getting mixed signals, which are furthered by you reluctance to answer a question, which by the way is most def. not a hypothetical one as it asks how you feel, not how would you feel.

On edit - I suppose we should ask her this question - "Do you dislike or distrust all Muslims?"

That hardly is hypothetical And - if you answer you do not, who really would blame you in the end because pretty much Muslims are the ones doing the killing through terroristic acts. I get that not all of them do it and that it is unfair to put the actions of relatively few on a whole group. But, the fact remains that I know of very few if any who do not get a little heightened when they see a group of Muslims getting on their plane. I hate that it is like that, but it is.

[irishgrl]

so your question now is how do I feel about Muslims?

Again, I am disappointed in the moderates for not standing up against the crap the terrorists do. They could make life very very difficult (if not impossible) for the terrorists by exposing their hideouts, refusing to send their young folks to the cause, teaching their young people that the West is not their enemy, Closing down the Madrassas, insisting on democratic government, and rights for women and on and on. Proportionally, the moderates outnumber the radicals, which is even more disappointing to me to think that such a small number can keep their cooler-headed bretheren in a constant state of fear. If their religion teaches PEACE, then they should help bring about PEACE.

so, I am in fact going by your statement:

In the end...people [should] start judging others by their actions

I may have made a generalization to begin with but I clarified for you in the hopes you would see the distinction. apparently you need to be spoon fed.

by the way, it was always my understanding that "racism" referred to a discrimination against a person's RACE. Not their RELIGION. I dont care for the Christian fundies either, so now what?

also, if you will READ my statement, I said "I have to WONDER...." so, obviously I was thinking out loud. you are smarter than that Jason arent you?

[strandinthewind]

^^^

So, that babble indicates you dislike and/or distrust most if not all Muslims because they do not do enough to stop a very small fraction of their society.

Fair enough.

I just wanted the screaming liberal to say it - that's all

Interesting, seeing as how black youth does the same thing every day and it could be argued that black moderates do not do enough to stop it a la the avenues you suggested for Muslims, I guess you apply that same logic to the black community - in fact, all communities.

What was that again about not liking your answer . . . .

On edit -- "I have to wonder" -- you are actually hiding behind that

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

So, that babble indicates you dislike and/or distrust most if not all Muslims because they do not do enough to stop a very small fraction of their society.

Fair enough.

I just wanted the screaming liberal to say it - that's all

Interesting, seeing as how black youth does the same thing every day and it could be argued that black moderates do not do enough to stop it a la the avenues you suggested for Muslims, I guess you apply that same logic to the black community - in fact, all communities.

What was that again about not liking your answer . . . .

On edit -- "I have to wonder" -- you are actually hiding behind that

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

Again you are putting words in my mouth, what I SAID was I was DISAPPOINTED that the moderates arent doing more to control their unruly members! How many ways to I have to say it? I didnt use the words "dislike" or "distrust" anywhere. I have admitted, too, that this is the one area I am not automatically Liberal about, so why you are gloating is beyond me

as for applying that logic to other communities, I havent thought about it really but frankly I cant see a problem with that premise? I think it is the duty of society in general to control its unruly members. Parents are expected to do that with their children, and we DO have laws for cripes sake!!
And as I ALSO said: only the MUSLIMS can change the minds of other Muslims. They sure as hell arent going to listen to a Jew or a Christian!

Again, prior to 9/11, I always had a live and let live attitude............If I wasnt so sure that we were heading toward a "Muslim vs. Christian" type apocalypse (which is what I meant when I said "I hope I never have to say 'I told you so'"), I'd be more than happy to have that attitude again.

ps: racism is discrimination based on race. I am talking more along religious paradigms. not the same thing technically speaking.

EDIT: re: "I have to wonder..." there's nothing to hide behind. I DO wonder. And, I wouldnt be at all surprised if it were the truth.